Three's a Crowd: Multiway Play in 3-Bet Pots
Posted by Nick Johnson
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Hey Nick, great video.
Let's say the villain does have ATJ8 (or some kind of ATxx combo), do you ever recommend giving a check back on that turn? Givin that's its a rainbow board, should we ever be checking back in his spot with the nuts for deception? And take our chances to get a nice river blank? Or is that a complete mistake?
Hey ace2600 would you mind giving me a timestamp of the exact spot when you get a chance and I'll be more than happy to check it out? Thanks!
I'm referring to the hand at about 39:30, and my question is hypothetical of course. But just curious when and if we should ever check behind in those spots if we do have the nuts?
Ah okay gotcha. I think it's reasonable to consider that at least sometimes especially if you had a read that your opponent was more aggressive and may attempt to stab the river thinking you are capped after checking back. I like checking or betting smaller with nuttish combos that block a lot of continues and have good playability on future streets. Generally (not always of course) I think it makes sense to bet more often and larger when we have a combo that is a little more vulnerable and/or doesn't block a lot of continues that we get value from.
Another hypothetical to keep in mind is let's say the CO barrels the turn large and we have AT on the BTN, then I think it makes sense to actually just call sometimes planning to shove board pairing rivers. They often will have the same straight, but will fold to a board pairing river thinking you are now ahead and never bluffing. If we have the chance to free roll them though in spots like that we can consider just getting it in as well to avoid a potential action killing river, so maybe we do just shove AJT8 for example over his turn barrel.
Thanks Nick, that all makes sense. And thanks for expanding so much on it, especially the second part. Those are interesting spots where I wouldn't have thought of that before. Keep the videos coming!
You are very welcome and thanks for the feedback!
What are your thoughts on running your hand several ways when you are al in. Where I play, people often go two or 3 times, but have heard that it costs more rake, since you have to pay rake when it splits, but if you loose the hand you dont have to pay the rake.
Rake is always one of the main things to keep in mind, but let's say rake wasn't a factor, then I think as long as you're consistent you won't go crazy trying to decide haha. Either always run it multiple times or always run it once IMO.
The one scenario where I think it matters a little and where I'm willing to run it multiple times is when a fish will gamble in a really unprofitable manner if I'm willing to run it multiple times. I used to just say "once", but I noticed loose fish would give less action if I did, so I started catering to them a little for obvious reasons. Otherwise just keep it consistent.
ok, i will definitely have it in the back of my mind when I play against fish, but I did not quite understand if you confirmed my idea that running the hand several times costs us more rake in the long run or not. Since every hand we split, we pay half the rake.
Sorry ZNAKE, yeah if that is happening, then I would run it once always to avoid that. We need to always adjust based on rake/structure.
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