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HUNL 3-Bet Pots

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Nuno Alvarez

POSTED Sep 08, 2019

In a previos video, Nuno examined only single-raised pots. In this installment, he takes a look at a sample of 3B pots utilizing things he's learned from his work with solvers and applying them to actual hands including one interesting spot against OtB_RedBaron.

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Demondoink 5 years, 6 months ago

great video! one of your best ones imo, and always nice to stack the Baron. I really like how you discuss the hand and your thought process and then immediately refer to PIO afterwards for clarification/to be corrected. I think PIO is underused in most RIO videos and this is the best way to use it. Sauce does it similarly by reviewing a couple interesting hands at the end of his session in PIO as well.

Nuno Alvarez 5 years, 6 months ago

Thanks a lot man! Appreciate the kind words.

I agree with you on this being the best way to use PIO to review hh’s. I really like to give my thought process first and then compare it with the PIO output and learn from my mistakes.

Darren W 5 years, 6 months ago

The TT vs 89s hand is really interesting. Don't think I've ever seen a hand where OOP just gets to jam range for a slight overpot size and IP gets to call range profitably despite having less EV.
Main reason I can think of being that although the TT-AA range of nut combos crushes IP's range of high bluffcatchers(close to 95% equity probably) by river, the number of combos is insufficient; insufficient compared to the huge number of 'air' combos in the entirety of OOP's range
given that OOP could credibly bet 3 streets with your entire range on this board.
hence, chopping to win half the pot about 90% of the time makes more money overall than folding and ceding the pot to a range that only beats us 10% of the time.
I personally would not have called 89s esp blocking the bd flush draw but it turned out to be a really high-level call.

Great video and I love your format.

Nuno Alvarez 5 years, 6 months ago

Thanks a lot Darren.

Yeah, this was a surprise to me as well and I agree with all you said. The pot is already too big in relation to our river betsize and there are so many chops that he’s not allowed to fold a single hand of his range that gets to the river.

Demondoink 5 years, 6 months ago

it's common on these boards where the run out has a made hand on the board. for example there is a 5 card straight in a 3bet pot where neither players has a ton of the straights (45678.) probably doesn't happen if you check down in a 3bp to the river, but when the pot is fairly large then you just jam as OOP and IP always calls cos you are chopping so often and you don't wanna check to IP to let him polarize and check back a bunch of chops and then bet 9x/chops at balanced frequencies. cos then your call becomes much worse as you lose 2/3 of the time, or whatever it is based on pot odds/bluffing frequencies and the other 1/3 you chop or win with whatever 9x you have.

Darren W 5 years, 6 months ago

In such a scenario it seems useful to think of the OOP jam as a 'blocker' jam since we prevent IP from having a potentially more +EV scenario if we check to him instead and he'[s able to bet balanced range of nut/bluffs as Demon said and check back some give ups.

Nuno Alvarez 5 years, 6 months ago

Completely agree. I’ve always interpreted this scenarios in which both players are chopping the pot very often as the only ones in which being OOP is more beneficial than being IP since there’s value on acting first and putting a large bet to fold the other player from their share of the pot.

Jeff_ 5 years, 6 months ago

40minute: (in pio sim) Villain folding 1% vs flop range bet, is it somewhat common concept in HUNL?

Jeff_ 5 years, 6 months ago

last hand too ^_^ 3% is quite low I would say. When it happens in 6max, I notice quite often that betting range losing around 1-2% of pot EV compare to ''optimal strategy''

Nuno Alvarez 5 years, 6 months ago

Yeah same thing on last hand :)

When it happens in 6max, I notice quite often that betting range losing around 1-2% of pot EV compare to ''optimal strategy''

It’s very similar on HU but I believe that simplifying the game tree is the best way to go about it, specially because we won’t be able to capture all the EV of a mixed strategy (therefore the EV difference isn’t real) and also because population is more likely to play poorly against our strategy when we bet more often.

TheLobster 5 years, 6 months ago

Very impressive stuff! Even to a non heads up player, you offer great insight on how strategies/ equilibrium works

zache86 5 years, 6 months ago

Really agree on this one...i think the way he thinks about spots and strategy interaction in general has value for players regardless of their main game

Bingo 123 5 years, 5 months ago

Goood stuff!

Hand 1, AsTh on Ad2d6s 5h
I noticed that Kxdd likes to check turn as OOP but also xback as IP
What's the idea here, because Khigh has SDV and both ranges have enough other FD's to bet ?

Cheers man, good video learning lots from this one about playing in 3bet pots ^^

Nuno Alvarez 5 years, 5 months ago

Thanks a lot Bingo! I’m really glad to hear that my content is helping you improve :)

You nailed it. K high still checks down for a decent amount of EV on both player’s ranges after only one bet.

adoyal 5 years ago

Q 9 Jr board you said you either use range bet or mix overbet/check strat... and that usually on Q high boards you can get away with range betting with little loss in EV however on this board Q9J the EV loss is quite large and you should use a mix overbet/check strat? (am i understanding that right) and also you say this is because we are interested in having a checking range ... how does the EV differ from; Overbet/check, 66%/check and 33%/check etc on these boards?

Nuno Alvarez 5 years ago

Hey adoyal thanks for your comment.

Q 9 Jr board you said you either use range bet or mix overbet/check
strat... and that usually on Q high boards you can get away with range
betting with little loss in EV however on this board Q9J the EV loss
is quite large and you should use a mix overbet/check strat?

The EV loss by cbetting range for a small sizing is certainly quite high on this one but this doesn't happen in every Q high board. Using an Overbet / check strategy is completely fine in these specific very connected board types.

how does the EV differ from; Overbet/check, 66%/check and 33%/check etc
on these boards?

Between 33% / check and Overbet / check it's usually really close. I personally havent tested 66% / check but my guess is that it'll be a fine strategy in most boards as well.

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