I'm not sure zz's decision to give a walk is that insane as you said at 34 minute. I think it's pretty good actually.
With the stacks as they are locomi has to call a lot more hands in this spot (he rarely will beat you to the race for 2nd and only has 3bbs). This makes it less profitable for zz to pot it has he doesn't have the same amount of FE.
Most importantly, your stacks become very similar and he gets a VERY profitable pot with any hand on the button the next hand as neither of you can call wide.
So the vast majority of time he pots the button after giving the walk and stacks are 160k, 160k and 1368k. By potting it he gets called very often and either doubles locomi and stacks is 320k, 220k and 1130k or busts him and has 1460k vs your 220k.
K485 has 45% vs a random hand and locomi has 3bbs. I think zz is giving up too much in CEV to give the BB a walk, especially when you consider that he has FE.
It's sub 10bb PLO so people should be all-in a lot. I think the shortstacks should have been more aggressive shoving and people were calling relatively appropriate ranges.
You obviously didn't see heads up. When you go all in you win every hand. Cool vid. there isn't much PLO tourney content and it really does play a lot different than plo cash.
Looking forward the next one...this one no comment, except; from you Sam, I was waiting for other things where I can learn something to improve my NLHE MTT game rather than another again final table+PLO. a little bit disapointing especially now when you appear once every month. I give my own opinion and I'm not alone here so for sure this stuff will satisfied other people.
min 27. why is his overcall/get it in bad? Im not a tournament player but if they both lose he is one place before the other guy with shorter stack right? and if the shortstack doubles up he is in a crappy spot anyway as the only shortstack lefT?
The risk he is taking that he might come in 6th, especially when the SB has the strongest range is not worth the CEV he gains by getting it in. I may do some more rigorous work on this spot later.
can someone recommed RIO videos that go over ICM/SNG/Tournament basics? Most people seem to do just HH reviews of tourneys, though this one was very informative.
nice video, interesting to see how the game is all about ICM ...
In your opinion, what would be the ICM strategy for those hyper turbo PLO satellites (2 of 6 players get a ticket)? Especially once it becomes 3 handed and stacks are roughly 2bigstacks , 1 shorty : should a bigstack in the BB call light vs a BU-shorty open (= 2.5-5bb eff stacks)?should the bigstacks open very wide from the BU no mather if the shorty is SB or BB?
Also if at least one player is very loose, just wants to gamble and is not worried about busting: should that in theory tighten up the other players ranges since they have less FE on their steals?
Satelites would be an even more extreme example of this since the value of doubling up is even less than in these tourneys.
Every satellite situation is different, but i'd imagine equilibrium would have the big stack potting a lot on the button, the middle stack folding almost everything and and the short stack calling a decent amount of the time.
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Good stuff.
I'm not sure zz's decision to give a walk is that insane as you said at 34 minute. I think it's pretty good actually.
With the stacks as they are locomi has to call a lot more hands in this spot (he rarely will beat you to the race for 2nd and only has 3bbs). This makes it less profitable for zz to pot it has he doesn't have the same amount of FE.
Most importantly, your stacks become very similar and he gets a VERY profitable pot with any hand on the button the next hand as neither of you can call wide.
So the vast majority of time he pots the button after giving the walk and stacks are 160k, 160k and 1368k. By potting it he gets called very often and either doubles locomi and stacks is 320k, 220k and 1130k or busts him and has 1460k vs your 220k.
K485 has 45% vs a random hand and locomi has 3bbs. I think zz is giving up too much in CEV to give the BB a walk, especially when you consider that he has FE.
So far after about 25 mins into video 10-20 folds where you think they/yourself shouldn't have folded :)
Everyone would be all in every hand if you were all the players
It's sub 10bb PLO so people should be all-in a lot. I think the shortstacks should have been more aggressive shoving and people were calling relatively appropriate ranges.
You obviously didn't see heads up. When you go all in you win every hand. Cool vid. there isn't much PLO tourney content and it really does play a lot different than plo cash.
Looking forward the next one...this one no comment, except; from you Sam, I was waiting for other things where I can learn something to improve my NLHE MTT game rather than another again final table+PLO. a little bit disapointing especially now when you appear once every month. I give my own opinion and I'm not alone here so for sure this stuff will satisfied other people.
Hard to make any evaluation of the play without payment structure. Especially for first to third.
Sorry, I meant to post the payouts when the video was posted, but forgot.
1. 141,960
2. 103,428
3. 77,740
4. 54,080
5. 40,560
6. 27,040
awesome stuff! <3
min 27. why is his overcall/get it in bad? Im not a tournament player but if they both lose he is one place before the other guy with shorter stack right? and if the shortstack doubles up he is in a crappy spot anyway as the only shortstack lefT?
The risk he is taking that he might come in 6th, especially when the SB has the strongest range is not worth the CEV he gains by getting it in. I may do some more rigorous work on this spot later.
can someone recommed RIO videos that go over ICM/SNG/Tournament basics? Most people seem to do just HH reviews of tourneys, though this one was very informative.
http://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/icm-intrp/ this is a very good video
nice video, interesting to see how the game is all about ICM ...
In your opinion, what would be the ICM strategy for those hyper turbo PLO satellites (2 of 6 players get a ticket)? Especially once it becomes 3 handed and stacks are roughly 2bigstacks , 1 shorty : should a bigstack in the BB call light vs a BU-shorty open (= 2.5-5bb eff stacks)?should the bigstacks open very wide from the BU no mather if the shorty is SB or BB?
Also if at least one player is very loose, just wants to gamble and is not worried about busting: should that in theory tighten up the other players ranges since they have less FE on their steals?
thanks and gl!
Satelites would be an even more extreme example of this since the value of doubling up is even less than in these tourneys.
Every satellite situation is different, but i'd imagine equilibrium would have the big stack potting a lot on the button, the middle stack folding almost everything and and the short stack calling a decent amount of the time.
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