$25/$50 PLO Zoom (part 1)

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$25/$50 PLO Zoom (part 1)

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Joni Jouhkimainen

POSTED Oct 21, 2015

Joni takes on the always tough $25/$50 zoom pool in part one of this new series.

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Stanmans9 9 years, 4 months ago

Great video quick question Minute 28 table one. Why is A1064 double suited a 3 bet against a tough opponent we have no fold equity against?

Joni Jouhkimainen 9 years, 4 months ago

The hand is too good to just be folding vs btn open and we dont really want to let Durian in and play post oop against two tough opponents. Folding equity isnt usually the thing we try to accomplish in plo by 3betting.

MajinVeta 9 years, 4 months ago

At 19:35, flop is 7c7s6c. You 3bet a button open from the sb. I find pretty much all paired boards hard to play when I've 3bet ofp and get called by an ip player. On this particular one, I kinda like doing one of three things: Using a mixed strategy of mostly checking but betting some, always checking, or always betting really, really small.

I'll just talk about the always betting one. I think this board isn't as bad as it looks for the 3better(I think we should have around 12-15% trips/boats vs around 18% for villain, and we have a lot more overpairs.) So, I kinda like just betting really small with range. However, this is a pretty dynamic board, as far as paired boards go. Equities are gonna change substantially on a lot of turns(which I think should favour the ip player a lot).

What are you thoughts on these low-medium paired boards, or just paired boards in general, given the above action?

Joni Jouhkimainen 9 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for your comments. I feel like these are one of the most complicated situations in plo and dont really have one and only path to go. Facts u should consider when making flop decision is how often and agressive villain is gonna attack when we check and float/bluffraise when we bet.

motown 9 years, 4 months ago

The first, and I think only time I saw you 3bet pre, than pot the flop was in that 10987 hand w/Phil. Do we need to be balanced in these situations ever?

It seems we are telegraphing to our opponent that we are not folding, and turning our hand face up when making this type of play. IMO it allowed Phil to comfortably shove KK and discount AA from your range, knowing that he's not crushed and flipping, instead of being a 3/1 dog against AAxx.

As played, particularly in this spot against an ok opponent ;) , it seemed like a very standard spot. Although I don't see too many people doing this as a bluff, so its pretty easy to figure out when to shove and when to fold.

Great video btw and thanks.

Joni Jouhkimainen 9 years, 4 months ago

I agree that we let Phil know we are not folding but I still have plenty ofAAxx combos,not the strongest maybe (with oesd or 2p). So I guess thats enough of a balance to be potting this flop with this T-high hand aswell.

Thx for the feedback!

Apoth 9 years, 4 months ago

5:47 you have A23J on the button and limp/call vs the Pot from action freak in BB/

He then checks with JJT8 and gets it in after ziigmund folds vs your stab.

I'd tend to just pot here in his shoes (rather than checking to you). However, he seems to be quite good so I'm curious what the merits are to his play.

It seems the only possible benefit is potentially folding vs 2 vpips from you guys.

But even vs a bet and a call his hand wouldn't be in THAT bad of shape needing only like 27% or something.) Just to clarify, I don't mean that he's got 27% after it goes x/x/b/r/ and he cold calls all in but even in that scenario hes probably got at least 15-20 and sometimes one of you folds their equity etc).

What I'm saying is, if he pots and then it gets in 3 way hes not going to lose that much money given occasionally someone folds their equity like you would have in this case (and thats truly worst case scenario when no one folds and hes probably got 15% or w/e) so when worst case scenario after potting isn't that bad and not letting people see turns/realize equity is so great isn't pot calling pretty attractive?

Any idea why hes elected to check here?

Joni Jouhkimainen 9 years, 4 months ago

I do agree with you. Potting would make the most profit there for sure and when he checks Im assuming check-fold like 90% of the time.

Can't really see why he choosed to check there, only good thing is maybe to get away from it if the 2vpips behind like u mentioned.

Phil Galfond 9 years, 4 months ago

I actually think the most likely reason is that he misread the action/stacks while multi-tabling and checked "to the pfr."

I'd put that at around 60%. The other 40%, he knows something we don't!

Actually, if he gives Joni a lot of credit (which he should) it may be the case that he knows Joni will be betting when checked to almost every time. This could either get a call from Ilari (and then one of them to fold for extra dead money) or could even make Ilari fold a hand that would've called a shove closing the action. In a dream scenario for him, Joni stabs total air and Ilari folds one pair, then AF shoves and takes down the pot :)

ActionFreak, if you're reading this - I'm very curious.

spassewr 9 years, 4 months ago

How about three tables? You could keep the replay window in the "empty 4th slot". I wouldnt mind a slightly faster video and perhaps some more detailed explanations in certain spots (you said you prefer betting 8754 no fd sb vs bb 633s and that there are better hands to xc with, wouldnt mind some thoughts there what you would prefer to xc over bet.

Good video! Thx for making it ^^

Joni Jouhkimainen 9 years, 4 months ago

I try to do that. In that certain spot we want to xc more hands with showdownvalue (overpairs mostly) and not really hand like this since it cant stand turn barrels.

Infestus176 9 years, 4 months ago

Yeah really good video, a bunch of the spots were quite straightforward but I think that's not always a bad thing as these are the spots we're more likely to get lazy with. Wp.

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