Good to see more than 2 tables :) nice to see lots of spots
Maybe 30 seconds in you pitch the Q9s utg, when folding this or K9s is it usually because there are a lot aggro 3bettors? Or should we only be opening it with a fish in the blinds?
2:10 AQ do you think it's ok to be squeezing this about half the time here?
4:25 AT how much Tx do you think we should bet otf? What frequency?
thanks
Q9s/K9s are close UTG. If I'm trying to play well I'll look at table composition and make a read on whether to open but even in best case scenarios it's like +.02bb or something so I wouldn't worry too much.
@2:10, I think that's way too aggro, it's prob <25% squeeze. I agree that squeezing AQo is a good exploit in the current meta though so I understand why people are doing it >=50%.
@4:25, It depends on our flop sizing plan. The KT5 is quite good for IP because OOP has no AK/KK/TT, and discounted KTs/AQo/QJs/J9s/AJo/AJs/KJs etc. I think betting something like >50% and <75% of our Tx makes sense.
Good vid, like the pace of 4 tables. Best part of the video is at 43:30 where you pretend that you wrapping up the video and me joining the pool are two unrelated events :D
I've noticed you're really good at estimating what an optimal strategy looks like in the majority of situations, and then excellent at seeing how the meta differs from that and adapting your strategy to exploit the meta.
How would you recommend someone improving both sides of this skill set? I feel like it's extremely important but rarely touched on.
I think this is a superior format to the 2 tabling live vids, just cos of the higher content-to-minutes ratio. Found myself doing a lot of pausing/rewinding to catch everything, which is fine. Thought quality was just as good as Ben's other live vids.
14min- any value in a minute block with kj just to target his qq/jj/ kxs bluffs? can also then put aj/aq turn stabs into this range and balanced by ak blocking all good calls for a larger size?
Hmm, I think there are ranges people play in these games where blocking river is good. In particular, the more Kxs goes into the 4b bluff range and the higher the 4b freq with QQ-JJ, and the lower the slowplay freq on flop/turn, the more often we want to continue blocking. I can see the play.
/min28: is the k3s peel a thing these days? curious cause im really thinking about flatting there with k6-k9 lately against minraises - any strong opinions?
42.23 how about over bet leading the turn instead of pot/3 representing a strong range where they have none of the nut type hands when you can have them easily(due to flop check through and you being from bb) and putting lots of pressure on 99-TT-JJ type hands w the 87cc
The more capped they are, the more often we should overbet turn here. We also lose a lot of EV getting raised on turn, so if we think they continue vs overbet by slowplaying we should overbet more.
Please don't comment in the form of "what do you think about play X (that I didn't actually make in the video or discuss)?" I feel like I'm taking a test in school and my viewers are giving me essay questions.
Instead, make an argument, like, "On the 7x OOP's EV increases so much with range that min leading should have higher EV than checking," or even better "I ran a Pio sim with the following assumptions" .... and copy+paste the result of increased EV for OOP with min turn leading.
18:40 56Tr villain cbets slightly over 1/3 pot..."little bit of a larger cbet here, I'm gonna make a tight fold" (hero has 33)...wow how times have changed
@21.36 86cc our sb vs bb. we bet small on riv but you say check is probably better vs the meta.
How do we go about thinking whether it is better to check or bet in this spot. My thinking is he would bet a 4 J 5 7 before the river most likely. So he either has an A high hand which wont call the river but wont bluff. A8, K8 would call our riv bet. But since we block an 8 it is less likely he has that and more likely he has a Q 9 or K 9 that can bluff. Does the meta have to do with whether people are waiting until the river to bluff their 0 showdown or do it on the turn?
@34.00 We call utg open w 33 in CO, and BB calls. It gets checked to us in position and we bet small on 869ddh to try to win the pot.
@38.10 We open CO w 55, BU calls, and BB calls. Flop K86r and we dont want to bluff multiway.
Can you explain why its ok to try to bet small to try to win the pot and get some protection vs overcards in the 33 hand but not the 55 hand on Kxx flop? Which i would think is dry and better to bluff multi way just to try to win the pot vs 2 opponents, unless our opp know we cb too much.
My thinking is that in the 33 hand it is better to try to win the pot because utg check seems like JJ, 1010, or a lot of missed big cards and we are in position. We should bet here because it is likely we are HU vs the BB even though the BB has such a large calling range on this kind of flop vs us.
In the 55 hand i normally bet to try to win the pot because i think its a dry flop and good for the pfr. Even though i know we are bluffing. Can you help me realize why this is a mistake? Is it because my opp will go out of their way and start raising me on these dry boards w air thinking im cbetting too much. Or is it just spew? Why isnt the 33 hand spew.
21:42 im curious why you chose flatting QQ in the SB vs HJ Or, i though it was pretty std 3bet, and also you chose to flat 1010 vs OR in HJ vs UTG... any strong opinions?
Hi Ben,
10:00 T9s - aren't our checkraises so polar between sets/twopairs and open enders, that we could just x/shove the turn? Is there something bad with that strategy? I guess he can adjust by checking back QQ/KK on flop, but he can do that against frequent x/raise turn/shove river too. I guess maybe we have the benefit of maybe checkraising 76s for value and check/fold some rivers, because his river bets would be very strong?
40:40 A7s river - Isn't the most obvious play here going to be x/raise the river, just because we often have other A high with the ace of clubs, which we are going to checkdown, but when facing a bet could use as a pretty much the nuts blocker, as I don't think fullhouse is really a thing for the button here?
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I love you sauce <3
Sauce and teunuss on the same day..! :D
Good to see more than 2 tables :) nice to see lots of spots
Maybe 30 seconds in you pitch the Q9s utg, when folding this or K9s is it usually because there are a lot aggro 3bettors? Or should we only be opening it with a fish in the blinds?
2:10 AQ do you think it's ok to be squeezing this about half the time here?
4:25 AT how much Tx do you think we should bet otf? What frequency?
thanks
Q9s/K9s are close UTG. If I'm trying to play well I'll look at table composition and make a read on whether to open but even in best case scenarios it's like +.02bb or something so I wouldn't worry too much.
@2:10, I think that's way too aggro, it's prob <25% squeeze. I agree that squeezing AQo is a good exploit in the current meta though so I understand why people are doing it >=50%.
@4:25, It depends on our flop sizing plan. The KT5 is quite good for IP because OOP has no AK/KK/TT, and discounted KTs/AQo/QJs/J9s/AJo/AJs/KJs etc. I think betting something like >50% and <75% of our Tx makes sense.
Ben Sulsky is god
Good vid, like the pace of 4 tables. Best part of the video is at 43:30 where you pretend that you wrapping up the video and me joining the pool are two unrelated events :D
ahahahahah
What do you mean by the current meta? You think people fold too much?
Hey Ben,
I've noticed that in SPR BvB you check more often on Axx rainbow boards than PIO.
On this particular vid - time stamp 16:45, but I've seen that few times in your last videos, you didn't cbet as frequently as PIO suggest.
I'm curios why you don't like full range cbet with ~1/3 with that range advantage? (even with your wider stealing SB range would be ok?)
P.S. Sauce>PIO
It depends on the A hi board. I'm prob under cbetting in this video on some of the medium ones where it's pure B.
Hey Sauce,
I've noticed you're really good at estimating what an optimal strategy looks like in the majority of situations, and then excellent at seeing how the meta differs from that and adapting your strategy to exploit the meta.
How would you recommend someone improving both sides of this skill set? I feel like it's extremely important but rarely touched on.
Study a lot of Pio and do a lot of node-locking!
Also general understanding of GTO is helpful at minimizing huge EV mistakes by understanding generally how optimal strategy works.
I LOVE this format. Please keep these coming!
I think this is a superior format to the 2 tabling live vids, just cos of the higher content-to-minutes ratio. Found myself doing a lot of pausing/rewinding to catch everything, which is fine. Thought quality was just as good as Ben's other live vids.
+1
14min- any value in a minute block with kj just to target his qq/jj/ kxs bluffs? can also then put aj/aq turn stabs into this range and balanced by ak blocking all good calls for a larger size?
Hmm, I think there are ranges people play in these games where blocking river is good. In particular, the more Kxs goes into the 4b bluff range and the higher the 4b freq with QQ-JJ, and the lower the slowplay freq on flop/turn, the more often we want to continue blocking. I can see the play.
Nice video Ben Id slightly prefer 3 and the replayer.
/min28: is the k3s peel a thing these days? curious cause im really thinking about flatting there with k6-k9 lately against minraises - any strong opinions?
I think it's bad. K8s-K9s seem much closer.
Hi Ben,
Are you worried people will start raising you more frequently when they see how much you like to block bet?
Then the day will finally come when I get to B3b bluff them
Like the fast paced video!!
RIO should have 0.75x and 0.5x speed for such videos with tonns of action.
42.23 how about over bet leading the turn instead of pot/3 representing a strong range where they have none of the nut type hands when you can have them easily(due to flop check through and you being from bb) and putting lots of pressure on 99-TT-JJ type hands w the 87cc
The more capped they are, the more often we should overbet turn here. We also lose a lot of EV getting raised on turn, so if we think they continue vs overbet by slowplaying we should overbet more.
34:15 63s.what do you think about min leading this turn with range?
Please don't comment in the form of "what do you think about play X (that I didn't actually make in the video or discuss)?" I feel like I'm taking a test in school and my viewers are giving me essay questions.
Instead, make an argument, like, "On the 7x OOP's EV increases so much with range that min leading should have higher EV than checking," or even better "I ran a Pio sim with the following assumptions" .... and copy+paste the result of increased EV for OOP with min turn leading.
You are right Ben. I'm sorry that i made you feel this way
18:40 56Tr villain cbets slightly over 1/3 pot..."little bit of a larger cbet here, I'm gonna make a tight fold" (hero has 33)...wow how times have changed
@21.36 86cc our sb vs bb. we bet small on riv but you say check is probably better vs the meta.
How do we go about thinking whether it is better to check or bet in this spot. My thinking is he would bet a 4 J 5 7 before the river most likely. So he either has an A high hand which wont call the river but wont bluff. A8, K8 would call our riv bet. But since we block an 8 it is less likely he has that and more likely he has a Q 9 or K 9 that can bluff. Does the meta have to do with whether people are waiting until the river to bluff their 0 showdown or do it on the turn?
@34.00 We call utg open w 33 in CO, and BB calls. It gets checked to us in position and we bet small on 869ddh to try to win the pot.
@38.10 We open CO w 55, BU calls, and BB calls. Flop K86r and we dont want to bluff multiway.
Can you explain why its ok to try to bet small to try to win the pot and get some protection vs overcards in the 33 hand but not the 55 hand on Kxx flop? Which i would think is dry and better to bluff multi way just to try to win the pot vs 2 opponents, unless our opp know we cb too much.
My thinking is that in the 33 hand it is better to try to win the pot because utg check seems like JJ, 1010, or a lot of missed big cards and we are in position. We should bet here because it is likely we are HU vs the BB even though the BB has such a large calling range on this kind of flop vs us.
In the 55 hand i normally bet to try to win the pot because i think its a dry flop and good for the pfr. Even though i know we are bluffing. Can you help me realize why this is a mistake? Is it because my opp will go out of their way and start raising me on these dry boards w air thinking im cbetting too much. Or is it just spew? Why isnt the 33 hand spew.
hey ben very good video.
21:42 im curious why you chose flatting QQ in the SB vs HJ Or, i though it was pretty std 3bet, and also you chose to flat 1010 vs OR in HJ vs UTG... any strong opinions?
Hi Ben,
10:00 T9s - aren't our checkraises so polar between sets/twopairs and open enders, that we could just x/shove the turn? Is there something bad with that strategy? I guess he can adjust by checking back QQ/KK on flop, but he can do that against frequent x/raise turn/shove river too. I guess maybe we have the benefit of maybe checkraising 76s for value and check/fold some rivers, because his river bets would be very strong?
40:40 A7s river - Isn't the most obvious play here going to be x/raise the river, just because we often have other A high with the ace of clubs, which we are going to checkdown, but when facing a bet could use as a pretty much the nuts blocker, as I don't think fullhouse is really a thing for the button here?
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