Live $2.5/$5 6-Max NLHE Session
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Can you explain in more detail why you decided to lead with the KQ on 865hh at 6:20?
It's near the border between XC and XF and it's a fairly good board for OOP so I chose to put it in my blocking/bluffing range.
But why such a big sizing ? You want to have two sizes here?
0:30 why do you squeeze so small here, and would you do that with your whole squeezing range?
10:02 T7s, would you have a bigger bet size on the flop here as well?
30:25 with A8s are you cbetting 100% here?
@:30, I'm squeezing a little smaller because of the shortstack in the sb.
@10:02, I think you can play a variety of strategies here that might have high EV. I think this is generally a high freq low sizing cb spot though, although the L/C vs 3.5x for OOP narrows his range pretty significantly.
@30:25, Probably close to 100%
cavino +1 same question, why do think this combo is particularly good for bluffing flop, you block kk and qq but also hands like AK,AQ which i guess are hands you want him to fold, isn't like 33, 9T or something better leads?
I thought AKs will most likely be a better preflop passive defend because of the better playability postflop. But you prefer it the other way around. Cany go little deeper into detail why you think so.
Thanks :)
I don't think the "plays better" argument makes much sense on its own. AA plays better to call preflop too because it's a great hand but that's not a good reason to slowplay AA.
When you lead T8dd on 562dd barrel turn 7 small, what sizing will you use on different rivers? Would you use the same sizing on 5d, Ad and offsuit 9?
Additionally I understand that typically missed FD's are bad combos to bluff river. But what other bluffs will you arrive at this river with that lead flop?
Was wondering same thing; what hands would you continue barreling with OTR as bluffs?
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I'm not sure, I don't have this spot particularly well figured out, I just think it's clear there are some leads here and I think it's good to place my opponents in unfamiliar situations.
I think on the 5d, we're valuebetting trips+, and probably using around third pot for trips, a variable size for flushes and a bigger one for FH. But I'd guess that we keep most of the EV by using one size of around 40% pot. On the Ad, I think I'd be more tempted to use a smaller size of like third pot for 2PR+, and then occasionally a larger size for flushes. On the offsuit 9, I think I'd be using third pot only and valuebetting down to 2PR.
I think the bluffs are stuff like A high (A3, A4, Ax+BFD), some (K8/K9/K4/K3/Q4/Q3/Q8)+BFD, and some 2x combos that lead for protection on flop and turn (24, 23, 2x+BFD sometimes).
Hi Ben,
thanks for the video.
May I ask you kindly why we do not take more value from villian in the spot of we having K6 top two pair (3:20)? We can quite easily figure out the range of villian here with AA, AK, KQ, K5, 55, KK and 66. Are we not fairly often ahead and can shove on the flop and/or turn here to extract value??
Also at 25:50 we call the flop and hit the magical trip 7 without realizing the equity at all. I do not understand this play as it might be extremely under EV play if we just call but do not get anything out of it if we hit our trips. That villain might hold Ax, Kx, AK, AA or KK is again quite obvious.
Maybe I missed something why we would not play more aggressively in these spots?
I would appreciate any feedback.
Thank you and kind regards,
Carsten
I think this is hindsight bias and results oriented thinking. It's of course true that both of these hands would have gone better had we played more aggressively, but that doesn't mean aggression is the right play against villain's range.
On the K65 board, I don't think there's supposed to be much 3betting from IP after OOP XR, so facing the 3b we're already nearing dominated strategy territory which should lock some EV for our side of the game tree even if we take a conservative approach to counter-exploitation. Because I'm unfamiliar with these low frequency parts of the game tree I favor the passive approach as that's less brittle to counter-exploitation. As I become more familiar with the player pool I'm often more willing to try for exploits following weak strategy choices. (I don't mean to say villain's strategy is necessarily bad, it's not bad to play some very low weight 3bets but that doesn't make much sense psychologically)
@25:50, Again, same deal. Against a range of AK+AA for example we don't want to XR. We only want to XR against very specific strategies that are very heavy on AK/Ax which are massively exploitable so we shouldn't really expect a tough opponent to be employing them.
Agree on the 74s hand. KK is in the ovb range a lot. Most flushes will not bet that size. Only AA makes a lot of sense.
I think a lot ev is wasted nowadays because we assume everyone plays near perfection. Especially vs you ppl will bet/call AK a lot more often after this v small size.
great video, love your explanations of blocker effects.
32:30 table 2, u said that TT have decent removal effect on what people are bluff 4 betting lately, so if we have in that same spot a hand like AQ or even AK and a note on player 4 bet bluffing Ax like A7o, A8o is it better to call rather than shove? where our hands won't benefit from fold equity that much when blocking his bluffs?
It depends on the hand. AK is generally a shove because no matter how much Ax he's 4b bluffing it still has tons of equity vs his calling range and benefits from preflop FE. AQo on the other hand is a terrible shove against a high Ax bluffing range because his KK freq gets out of hand and it only flips with JJ/TT which are mostly calling preflop.
Yo Ben, first big Thx to keep offering videos.
min22. the TT hand is very interesting indeed. I would have also lean towards a "shove everything" strategy OTR since its so rare for villain to have a straight or better at this point. So my guess is that we just win the pot almost always by shoving.
I did run a PIO sim, and the result I got is quite surprising.. PIO overbet shoves only flushes for value and some bluffs which blocks flushes or straight+flush (like JdJx for example) , and the most used sizing is 80% pot (70% of the range) with Tx and even JT (thats a bit crazy...)
against which, villain will defend 90% of the time....
My thinking: this strategy lets our bluffs win almost nothing while our straights will get a nice value bet, but since our straight combos are much less than our bluff combos, I dont really see the point.
What are your thoughts on this? and is it possible to know with PIO how superior this would be to a "shove everything“ strategy?
Anyone else did run a sim there? I think it is very interesting.
I was a bit worried about the SPR here at the time of the hand. It seemed like with SPR <2.5 or something I just shove everything but with SPR 2.5-4 there might be a slightly higher EV option.
I should also add this is a pretty low frequency runout that might also be sensitive to preflop assumptions. So my method would be to vary preflop assumptions a bit and also be careful to run the sim for a lot of iterations so that these low frequency river spots converge well. Finally, I'd compare the EV of a node-lock and shove everything strategy to the outputs of a well-iterated strategy that doesn't jam everything and look at how exploitable jamming is.
7:23 the tt hand , the small sziing with high freq on this board is a line strongly disliked by pio, the sims ive ran show a huge gap in ev between this and a regular strategy. Ofc i know were looking for simpler strategies than what pio suggests but the ev gap really is very significant , is there another reason why this line is preferred? thanks
Also when you do bet this turn what sizing choice would you use?
I think our sims must be using different inputs. I'm getting a preference for small betting when given the opportunity to bet 1/3 or bet 2/3 regardless of whether sb plays a limp or not. Perhaps you're 3xing (or bigger?) preflop?
yeh im using a 3.3x or fold strat from sb , so either thats the reason or ive misplugged my sims , ty
36:00 : Q8o bvb on J9xr 9. Why would you be suprised if oop leads this turn ?
Just because few 9xo combos are in his range, A9o and then some SCs. If he leads too many 9x from a fairly 9x light range then my TP+ combos can easily value bet 3 streets. I don't think it's necessarily a bad play to lead though.
35:35;
You have 77. I agree people are under bluffing there.
Looks like a good xr candidate.
-His value range is a lot of thin value like 9x
-We block our value range (76) well and thus his best calling candidates.
-He likely barels turn with rivered nuts (QT)
Thoughts?
I think he barrels turn more often with 76 than QT/T7, and 76o folds preflop anyways. (Zach, there was a typo here before caused by a server error). I think my bluffing range is any pair
Zach, still having issues with responding to this comment
Ok. Not a problem. If you are able to later go for it.
38:35 -- You defend 22 sb vs bb 3b. You then proceed to check/fold 593 rbw to less than a half pot cbet. Can you discuss why you decide to peel, what boards to continue on, etc? Are you just set mining here? My intuition says peeling this hand pre if you're going to fold on a such a favorable flop is losing $. My intuition also says you're a lot better at poker than I am so just curious as to your thoughts on this spot.
Thanks and keep up the great work!
In hindsight I think this spot was a close call (for tiny EV). I think quantitative models consistently favor calling with pairs even though it feels like good things aren't happening very often. #computerpoker
In the very few Pio PF sims I ran I noticed that the small pairs were called vs 3bets and was also surprised. I don't recall the EV gain and it's very possible the non zero mistakes we will make postflop will push it to the land of negative.
great video. at 34min, whats the logic with a8s on river to block bet 1/3rd? How do you spread out your bluffs and valuebets between dif sizes?
41:35, QJ hand, is the AJ raise on the flop better or worse because we are multiway? i thought it was an interesting raise just to give big blind worse odds to call in a spot he would have a lot of hands that connect very well with the board.
Thanks, really like your videos.
Great video as always Ben :) . I think a lot of hands you explain really quickly but without explaining the core concepts that underline certain plays. Would be great if you did a theory video in the future. A few questions on this video.
1) 00:37 UTG open, weaker SB calls, you squeeze QJdd when SB is only 50bb deep. Reason for 3betting instead of flatting? Also opens UTG for a perfect spot to 4bet bluff when 3 squeeze here. Isnt QJo a better hand to 3bet bluff here? When we call and flop is xx9d. any reason why we dont float vs the cbet size of villain?
2) 4:00 you fold 43dd in CO when its folded to you , why? Would you still fold in a live game 200bb deep where people are less agressive from sb/bb?
3) 5:10 when you have K6hh, you say that Villains line to 3bet flop and bet turn is marginal, why is that so vs your perceived wide reraising range on the flop?
4) 6:25 with the KsQh donk bet on 864hh, would you still do this move in a live game where opponents will float much wider? What kind of adaptations to your game would you make?
-5) 14:43 you defend J2ss 150bb deep to a btn 2.5x. How would this be different in a live game with 300bb stacks and a 3/4x open from the button? How would you construct your ranges then?
6) 23:58 UTG opens and you 3bet OOP KQss, why?
- You say at 25:55 AQo is at the bottom of your 3betting range vs HJ open yet we 3bet KQss from SB UTG open.
7) 26:50 you seemed surprised Villain Vbets AsKc on that runout. Any reason why? Alot of the time he will be ahead of our range as we have 0spades since he has the As and Ks 7s is on the board by the river.
8) 33:00 you check raise QJo on K93r flop. Your value hands look like KK (unlikely), K9,33,99 and a bunch of draws. Thats 8 combos for value assuming you dont play K9o. If we start re raising QJo here are we not going to be massively overbluffing by the river given the lack of value combos we can have in this spot? What are we doing if he calls and turn is a 3r, or a 5r?
9) 36:00 you check raise 54o on 942dd board with the 5d. You just say you are " apply pressure" can you explain?
10) 38:00 BTN 3x and you fold SB JTo 100bb deep. Is this never a 3bet for blocker value?
i have similiar questions in these spots and they will never be answered!
@25:20 how do you like a 2/3s pot lead on turn, and then half pot bet on river?
thanks.
Hi Ben, at 41:10 QJ S u are saying that you dont really like the plays of vDeezy with hes line. What would you do if you had hes position and hes hands ? will you call flop and raise turn ? Can you talk more about this hand plz
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