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POSTED Apr 22, 2015

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superbad 10 years ago

Only 15 seconds in but I paused it to say I guess isildroon isn't as crazy as he used to be if we're happily 3b/folding As2sKQ sb vs bt over the other options?

John Bolton 10 years ago

16:19 - you check/jam AA+NFD+OE 3 way after 3 betting OOP on T96 because you say betting turns your hand pretty face up (want to induce other draws) & you want to check strong some times (presumably to protect dry overpair hands? though I'm not sure why multiway on a straight board), then,
23:27 - you bet/call KK+NFD 3 way after 3 betting OOP on Q76.

So, this seems pretty inconsistent. In both cases I think you're at a range disadvantage but your hand is doing fine (i.e. good things will happen when you put money in the pot). Seems to me, though, that your opponents have a tougher time with their flush draw+ hands when you check (and probably jam). You're not going three streets for value with KK with 4xpot on the flop, though, so it seems like a good spot to start with a check in hand #2.

For sure you get outdrawn on the turn some, but on most turns you should be pot controlling anyway, right? Basically what I mean is, regardless of whether the flop checks through or one bet goes in on the flop, you're never ecstatic about jamming something that isn't the Kh or a diamond on the turn. So I think the argument is that the EV you lose from these ~2 pair outdraws is pretty marginal, since we're only talking about the cases in which the hands won't call a flop bet and will call a turn bet, while the gained EV from getting villain(s) stuck in the pot with draws is substantial.

I'm not sure how to quantify this, and I'm probably going overboard (because c-betting seems totally standard) but it seems like a common (really important) spot, where we have a marginal made hand, but most of our EV when the money goes in comes from draw-over-draw scenarios, which get quite a bit weaker when they don't complete on the turn.

Mostly, check-jamming avoids the awkward situation where our flop bet gets flatted and we have 1.6x pot on the turn. This seems important because we're so infrequently going to turn a strong made hand that is not a flush (on which our opponent mostly shuts down). There's no clean 2 pair, and if we check, our hand looks exactly like what it is (so folding feels weak), but betting is committing and now we mostly have a marginal hand and a draw with marginal value.

If both our made hand and our draw is going to get weaker most of the time on the turn, it makes sense to play it for a smaller pot, or just realize our equity if someone bets the flop. If the flop checks through, probably we're not missing many of the very high EV spots where one of the villains has a combo draw.

It's not lost on me that the boards are very different. On T96 your made hand value range is really thin after 3betting, while on Q76 it's a bit more robust, including at least some QQ combos and some Q*s, so villains will be more apt to go with their combo draws against the c-betting part of your range. Again I think it's clear that we are pretty happy to go with both of these hands, but since we can't really just shovel it in in hand #2, I like a check.

Apologies for the diatribe, did quite like the video!

Zig Zag 10 years ago

nice hud, any chance u can explain whats in it ? and how do you put 2 stats together in between separators?

99reasons 6 years, 7 months ago

Great video. 8:40 on the right table you folded the second nut flush. Even against a PSB I cannot understand why this would be fold.there are several moments like this in the video, where u are holding a high flush and decide to fold on the river after check calling all streets. From my perspective I thought villain(s) we’re betting multiple streets because you tended to favor a X/c line with these flush type hands which was being perceived as hero being reluctant to continue

99reasons 6 years, 7 months ago

I doubt this will reach you now in 2018 but I’m curious why you took this X/C line w almost all your non nut flushes even if they were the second nuts.

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