If you look at the people who are the most vitriolic, most have had been big downswings in the past year. The guy who has been the most vocal was down $100,000 at one point last year. The scripting, king of the hill format, and the rise in effective rake -- 1.75bb/100 in 2013 to 2.75bb/100 in 2015 at 2/4 -- has changed the way the game is approached. Unfortunately because I show up everyday and try to make money, I've become the public face for these structural changes.
I'm glad you enjoy my videos. I hope you learned something. :)
Just looked at 2p2 for a while and couldn't find anything maybe I was looking in all the wrong places? Not trying to derail just seems crazy to me as everyone knows TF is sick at poker.
I am curious about AQ hand in 29min. If you don't think you could valuebet here, is that mean that turning Jx into bluff becomes very profitable? I believe he lead with 7x almost always on the river, because if you doubt that AQ is valuebet, then he can not check raise 7x for value and as you said you don't have many miss draws on that runout to bluff with.
I'm going to look closer in CREV at this hand in a video. Its ultimately a function of his turn betting range, his river c/r range and my perceived range. If he's betting like Q2s on the turn and leading 7x on the river, valuebetting should be okay from a theoretical perspective. If he starts with a range of QJ+ and draws then his river calling range is going to be small. Maybe Axhh and ATo. I'd assume in the actual hand given current meta that he actually c/r's QJo due to its blockers at a high frequency.
My fullhouses which are going to make up a fair bit of my river call-raise range. The play is obviously not perfect, but you'd be surprised at the number of players who are like "meh; can't call; blockers; all in".
You mentioned that the GTO guys have determined that a small blocking bet has a slightly higher EV than check calling. Could you give some reference?
As an idea for future videos, you often mention that the EV of this play is similar (or slightly bigger, or bigger) to the EV of that play. (For instance, in this video you said that with 99 in the button against a CO open the EV of calling or 3 betting is similar.) I'd love to see a video explaining the way you study to reach these conclusions. I would assume that it is by analyzing your database, but is it large enough to get conclusions about such particular situations?
For example, if you make a video explaining the 99 hand on the button, you could also consider the same hand in the BB instead of the BT against a CO open, how does the situation change?
MOP has a chapter on adding a small blocking bet into the AKQ game. The authors find that the small blocking bet adds about 1/10 of a bet in game value to oop strategy.
Without getting too technical, you can use statistics to test whether to items are different from each other in a given sample size. Obviously, there are some bias in the results (profitability changes based on table composition), but in general there are enough apple to apple comparisons to make this form of testing viable.
In BB, we only need to consider our oop-adjusted equity against the original raiser. On the button, we'll also need to include in our model the 4-bet/cold-calling/squeeze characteristics of the SB and BB.
Some theory videos would be great, a mix of power point slides and hand examples on how to study poker effectively for example.
I know those are hard to produce and require a lot of time and effort but would be nice.
Hi tyler, thx again for publishing this nice video.
I got a question about Ninja's play at 14:40. I also think he is an interesting player so I went into CREV for a second.
He leads flop from BB on Ah 5h 2h.
Lets say you open 55% BTN, (i know you open maybe little less sometimes but for discussion).
-On this flop, if you defend TP+ and any FDs its already 53% of your range.
If u add PPs between 66 and KK, then it's 64%. So it seems more than enough to me.
So i thought maybe his plan is to bet again on 4card flush.
-If turn comes another heart and he bets again,
we can defend any flush here and its 52% + 4% sets, so around 56% of our range.
So to me, we can defend against his flop lead quite naturally making his play not the greatest here.
What do you think ?
Thanks for analysis! That's definitely the way to look at these problems.
That was my thought as well on leading. It doesn't appear to be much of gold mine when I can defend basically natural frequencies and make his bluffs 0EV. However ninja is a smart player and I'm sure his line was well-reasoned. I'm curious why he decided to chose that course of action. It may be that he thinks he can get more streets of value with his nut hands...
The game trees are really too complicated to make an easy generalization about out of opposition play on the flop. However, if somebody starts donking all their nut hands. Its seems very obvious that you can value bet/bluff far wider in position, so a conservative cbet strategy would switch to an aggressive one fairly quickly.
Thanks for all your videos Tyler. They are very content rich. I have a small suggestion to raise the quality of your production even further: avoid using empty fillers like "uh" and "um". Thanks again for all the value you add Tyler!
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hi tylerwhy do people on 2+2 give you that much hate ? what are they refering too ??? I think your video are very good but im curious whats the deal ?
If you look at the people who are the most vitriolic, most have had been big downswings in the past year. The guy who has been the most vocal was down $100,000 at one point last year. The scripting, king of the hill format, and the rise in effective rake -- 1.75bb/100 in 2013 to 2.75bb/100 in 2015 at 2/4 -- has changed the way the game is approached. Unfortunately because I show up everyday and try to make money, I've become the public face for these structural changes.
I'm glad you enjoy my videos. I hope you learned something. :)
because Tyler warns us about 0ev plays
Just looked at 2p2 for a while and couldn't find anything maybe I was looking in all the wrong places? Not trying to derail just seems crazy to me as everyone knows TF is sick at poker.
why do you refer sarald as a '' she ''
I read the name as 'sara' ld. Obviously its completely irrelevant to game play.
37:30
Ben would def call ;))))
41:50
If the 2 was a 2 of clubs on the flop, it´s a standard call on the flop right?
For sure, its close without the club with bvb ranges.
Hi, Tyler, great video as usual!
I am curious about AQ hand in 29min. If you don't think you could valuebet here, is that mean that turning Jx into bluff becomes very profitable? I believe he lead with 7x almost always on the river, because if you doubt that AQ is valuebet, then he can not check raise 7x for value and as you said you don't have many miss draws on that runout to bluff with.
I'm going to look closer in CREV at this hand in a video. Its ultimately a function of his turn betting range, his river c/r range and my perceived range. If he's betting like Q2s on the turn and leading 7x on the river, valuebetting should be okay from a theoretical perspective. If he starts with a range of QJ+ and draws then his river calling range is going to be small. Maybe Axhh and ATo. I'd assume in the actual hand given current meta that he actually c/r's QJo due to its blockers at a high frequency.
what is QJo supposed to block? QQ/JJ? Is it also supposed to block AQ AJ bc those seem like you're 'thinner' value bets so it blocks both
My fullhouses which are going to make up a fair bit of my river call-raise range. The play is obviously not perfect, but you'd be surprised at the number of players who are like "meh; can't call; blockers; all in".
At 39:00 you open folded K4o in the small blind. Do you think K4o is standard fold vs most regs? I assume you would open K4s and K8o?
I think K4o is really close to 0 ev in this spot. I would definitely be opening K8o and K4s.
Very interesting video, as usual.
You mentioned that the GTO guys have determined that a small blocking bet has a slightly higher EV than check calling. Could you give some reference?
As an idea for future videos, you often mention that the EV of this play is similar (or slightly bigger, or bigger) to the EV of that play. (For instance, in this video you said that with 99 in the button against a CO open the EV of calling or 3 betting is similar.) I'd love to see a video explaining the way you study to reach these conclusions. I would assume that it is by analyzing your database, but is it large enough to get conclusions about such particular situations?
For example, if you make a video explaining the 99 hand on the button, you could also consider the same hand in the BB instead of the BT against a CO open, how does the situation change?
Hi nicegame!
Thanks for your input!
MOP has a chapter on adding a small blocking bet into the AKQ game. The authors find that the small blocking bet adds about 1/10 of a bet in game value to oop strategy.
Without getting too technical, you can use statistics to test whether to items are different from each other in a given sample size. Obviously, there are some bias in the results (profitability changes based on table composition), but in general there are enough apple to apple comparisons to make this form of testing viable.
In BB, we only need to consider our oop-adjusted equity against the original raiser. On the button, we'll also need to include in our model the 4-bet/cold-calling/squeeze characteristics of the SB and BB.
coach, your videos are cool <3
Thanks Monte!
Nice series.
Thanks Prince
Some theory videos would be great, a mix of power point slides and hand examples on how to study poker effectively for example.
I know those are hard to produce and require a lot of time and effort but would be nice.
Next one is going to be hand review/theory. :)
Hi tyler, thx again for publishing this nice video.
I got a question about Ninja's play at 14:40. I also think he is an interesting player so I went into CREV for a second.
He leads flop from BB on Ah 5h 2h.
Lets say you open 55% BTN, (i know you open maybe little less sometimes but for discussion).
-On this flop, if you defend TP+ and any FDs its already 53% of your range.
If u add PPs between 66 and KK, then it's 64%. So it seems more than enough to me.
So i thought maybe his plan is to bet again on 4card flush.
-If turn comes another heart and he bets again,
we can defend any flush here and its 52% + 4% sets, so around 56% of our range.
So to me, we can defend against his flop lead quite naturally making his play not the greatest here.
What do you think ?
Hey Brit,
Thanks for analysis! That's definitely the way to look at these problems.
That was my thought as well on leading. It doesn't appear to be much of gold mine when I can defend basically natural frequencies and make his bluffs 0EV. However ninja is a smart player and I'm sure his line was well-reasoned. I'm curious why he decided to chose that course of action. It may be that he thinks he can get more streets of value with his nut hands...
Tyler, do you think that your conservative cbet strategy could be a good reason for developing donkbet range?
The game trees are really too complicated to make an easy generalization about out of opposition play on the flop. However, if somebody starts donking all their nut hands. Its seems very obvious that you can value bet/bluff far wider in position, so a conservative cbet strategy would switch to an aggressive one fairly quickly.
Thanks for all your videos Tyler. They are very content rich. I have a small suggestion to raise the quality of your production even further: avoid using empty fillers like "uh" and "um". Thanks again for all the value you add Tyler!
Hey Tony,
Thanks for the compliments and suggestion. I'll work harder at avoiding those words.
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