$2/$4 and $3/$6 6-Max NLHE Hand Review (part 2)
Posted by Tyler Forrester
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great video Tyler! these are my favorites, not live ones.
btw, I think your doing such a great job by always being open minded, taking into consideration many important strategic actions, many versions of the situation(like here different rivers/different flop defending strat etc)
Thank you Jocia!
19:30. Is it necessarily true that the strategy would prefer to have one bet size of 200 rather than distinct bets of 240 and 120 just bc the 120 size is chosen at a small frequency? Isn't it possible that some medium strength hands and hands like JJ just prefer to bet 120 and we mix in small percentages of the hands from the 240 range into the 120 range at equilibrium?
Same concept goes for the flop sizing discussion. I don't see it (yet) as just choosing 100 sometimes to avoid betting 30 bc 30 is slightly off. Maybe TT (not blocking opponent's 9x and very vulnerable) just likes to bet 100, but so much of our range prefers to bet 30 that we mix TT into the 30 range at some frequency at equilibrium to add more strength.
Awesome vid, love pio more than my gf.
Trying to establish rigorously that 200 is same/better than having two betsizes 240 and 120 is beyond my math capabilities. However, pio seems to come out with same player EV for one betsize as two betsizes provided we choose the weighted average of the two bets as the betsize.
That's enough for me to limit myself to one betsize in a situation mainly because its easier for to remember strategically.
@ mixing TT
Sometimes pio prefers the bigger betsize but the EV difference between the two betsizes is small. In this scenario, it mixes TT into the smaller betsize. However, sometimes the EV difference is great and which point in time it will never mix the TT into the smaller betsize. The most obvious example of this is that some hands fair very poorly as bluff c/r's in Texas Hold'em. Pio always folds those hands as opposed to bluff c/ring with them.
@TT
The EV of betting 100 and 30 w/ TT and A3 is essentially the same at equilibrium or else pio would never choose the inferior size of course. Coudn't TT and A3 really like the large bet, but as a result of the equilibration exercise their EV is also equal at 30 at the proper frequency bc of opponent's response to so many marginal hands betting 30?
So perhaps TT and A3 are betting 100 as often as they can until they are made indifferent to betting 100 and 30 by opponent's responses.
That would make perfect sense. It's hard to tell from the outside. I don't generally solve big linear equations to come to my decisions in a poker game :).
Of course not. Just trying to gain insight into pio's savviness to better understand the equilibrium solution.
How do you conclude that BB should CR 10-15% of the time on 993 ttw BTN vs BB?
Piosolver?
Yes, used a GTO solver. Later in the video should have more detail about how a GTO solver plays this situation.
If pio and my mom were trapped in a fire and I could only save one, I would spread my mom's ashes at her favorite beach.
ur weird
Interesting video! I liked it, found a similair hand in NVG where baron raises on J 2 2 ^^ http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=47899939&postcount=362 Maybe this is going to become a new trend even at msnl
Hi Tyler. Great video. Really enjoy this format and hope to see more like this.
You mentioned not having OOP player bet (donk) for keeping the game tree reasonable.
On this flop in particular it doesn't seem like OOP should have much of one at all. I agree that it is viable to remove this option for practical reasons.
But should we not have it as mandatory to include for the turn? You found that IP checks back some cards with a very high frequency. If OOP has the option to lead we can speculate that its possible both players strategies significantly change on these turns.
Hi Micro,
Thanks that is an excellent point. I have made of habit of unchecking the oop donk bets, because most players don't use them in game and the game trees became to large for my computer (70 gigabytes). However since pio came out with new update, its much more feasible to include donk bets into the solutions. I'm going to start including donk bets in future videos, because you're completely right. It would seem logical that ,especially, on 9x turn that the out of position player would have a donking range.
love button. ton of game changing content. great stuff TYVM!
Thanks, Schifty! Appreciate the love :)
I'm very like this video format, especially with PIO. Great job!
Thank you, EL!
Hey Tyler, great video, I really enjoyed it... I think all the new info available from analyzing these types of situations while sometimes being a little overwhelming, gives incredible insights into optimal strategy... I'd love to see more similar videos...
Thank you, I appreciate your feedback! It's amazing the granularity we can now get on frequencies. The gto software has and will continue to make big changes to how NL is played.
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