He raises so often from BB when you limp. Is limping 100% of buttons too big of an adjustment this early in the match?

What do you think of sizing down a bit with 10's full (3rd nuts) on the river at the 46 min mark? Reasoning being that you have very few bluffs with 3rd diamond on river. Plus, additional benefit of possible c/r with smaller sizing.

That makes sense. However, given the raise on turn which includes 2xx+ and semi bluffs which nearly all contain spades, you will get to the river with nearly no bluffs. Maybe a small bet looking like thin value (i.e. Nut flush) could induce a bluff raise from 2 x. especially considering he doesn't have many boats in that spot and is unlikely to call a big bet without a full house.

yessssss, really interesting to hear you talk about 5 card :)
Its a GOOD game not a dumb game!!!!!! Around 9:40 you mentioned you had 11 outs on the turn with your top set. Just nit picking but you had 10. I think this gives you around 23% equity which means you would have direct odds to call around 7.7k if the there was no action allowed on the river. Was more interested myself that anything since this tends to come up quite a bit, often it's them potting turn and we are in position with money behind, but not sure whether to call or fold it. I guess it partly depends how much we think they are paying us off when we fill up.
I'm not sure if it's worth considering our equity might be lower than 23% since he is probably quite likely to block some of the high cards since his preflop range probably contains more of them, although it works both ways since he is repping flushes which are 'reverse blockers'?

Great content as usual, Phil. Seems really like stack depth has a huge impact and might change the whole game from a gambly assessement to a really deep strategic enterprise. Looking forward for more.

Hi Phil,

I haven't finished the video yet but there is one nuance to 5 card variant I'd mention. It is slight but perhaps relevant on the turn in the first hand. In 5 card Omaha we have one extra card info about the stub. Having no blockers to us filling up holding 5 cards makes a small but non negligible difference. We have maximum equity vs NF with this particular top set+side cards.
Equity vs NF
1) 4 card PLO: QQT5; outs= 9, stub= 52-4-4-1=43 Equity= 20.9%
2) 4 card PLO: QQT7; outs= 10, stub= 52-4-4-1=43 Equity= 23.3%
3) 5 card PLO: QQT75; outs= 9, stub= 52-4-5-1=42 Equity= 21.4%
4) 5 Card PLO: QQ983; outs= 10, stub=52-4-5-1=42 Equity= 23.8% (Hand in Video)

Pot odds to call a jam were 2.23:1; 31% to call. If he has NF every time we fold on both but calling with this hand (Hand 4)) saves us $800 in EV vs calling with hand 3).
If the decision is close where we might have the best hand some it could sway our decision.

Thank you Phil for the nice vid and promoting 5c.
What helped me when beginning 5card PLO, I viewed every hand which was strong in PLO as viewing it stronger in 5 card and I viewed every hand which was weak in 4c as even weaker in 5c.
So if I was to think about a bluff raising range, than I did begin firstly to think about the bottom of my calling range in 4c and if it would make sense given board texture and opponent tendencies to bluff raise it.
Two examples:
Preflop
Lower rundowns become significatnly weaker, opening for example JT982 in early position is marginal at best. Runs often to KJT98, QJT98, AKT9....
Hands with strong flushes become significantly stronger: AK876:AxxKyy belong to most profitable 3 betting hands vs those who over value double suited rundowns.
Of course they have often 40% on the flop but they also end up to be very often at this 40% and sometimes they are just crushed. The domination danger in this game is significantly higher than in 4c.
Postflop
Already indirectly talked about flushdraws. Given made hands: most of the time middle set in this game especially in 6 max is just like a bottom set in 4 card. One just runs too often to Top set and to big draws. So for 5c starters I would just downgrade every hand about 1 level in comparison to 4c. And in 6c I would continue using the same concept and view every hand 1 level weaker in 5c and two levels weaker than in 4c.
Needless to mention that players tendencies (preflop and postflop) and board texture etc. sometimes makes hands even weaker or stronger. But for starters it is a really helpful guideline.

One question for Phil:
on QJ5 monotone we have 6% more non nut flushes and 2 % more nut flushes than in 4 card PLO while at 90% preflop range we have the same amount of nut flush blockers (4%). We have also 2% more sets and 1% more Top2. What do you think what are the implications?

You need some more practise phil :D

I don't even care about PLO but playing 40k without prior experience is badass (or crazy depending on personal preferece), that's why I loved this video. Nosebleed stakes footage is always the best!

Hey Phil,

Just wanted to ask a quick question. You play a hand towards the middle/early middle part of the video where you have Qt872 with T2ss. You limp/call btn and check back flop and turn after completing your flush ott giving you the third nuts.

On the river, villain leads roughly half pot. You decide to raise for value, I have two questions.

1) What hands are you expecting to get a call from?

2) If you are villain in this spot and your hand contains the dry As, are you auto-repotting river?

Thanks and keep up the great work!

Also,

You play a hand later on in the video where you defend J7654cc. Flop kj2hh and goes c/c. Turn is a 4h and also goes c/c. River is a J and you check again. Two questions.

1) Why not start betting ott?

2) As played, why check river instead of betting? Villain will likely call a bet with all of the hands he would go for value with anyway so you're not losing any equity there, and you have the added benefit of inducing bluffs and even just getting to muck instead of showing down if he folds. I can't think of any hands in villain's range that would bet river for value and actually call a c/r.

is there part 2? i cant find it :(

Please make another 5 card video Phil, this is such great content and I love this game. Have your thoughts on 5 card changed in the past 2 years?

Thank you

Very good instructive video even after 5 years.
These are some of the takeaway I think I had after watching,I'm too lazy to write it down so I'll just put it here.
1,In low spr situations,(3bet/4bet pots). It's not sure to be correct to even have a bet folding range since players pick up equity so easily. So the usual mistake of potting bare aces and hope for the best are even more costly.
2,Be careful of choosing raise bluff hands otf,since we don't have that many bluffs （maybe raising small is a thing, since the snap fold range of the opponent can still have equity against us.）
3,Quick check can be a timing tell for players just looked at their hand and decide to c/f.Range check usually take a bit more time.
4,t-j high flushes are not 2 street value hands in 5 card plo. low flushes not even value hands.(agains reasonable opp) Nut flush and 2nd nf are still potting otr in hu pot.
In 6-max , what to do with 2nd and 3rd nut flushes?
5, Should kings really slow play on kq2 board? Since we don't block any ace jack ten or queen. There are lots of weaker fd+sd or wraps that can call a bet ,against a good opponent that has lots of medium strength hand in their checking range ,maybe a bet.