Yep, I definitely have a 4b bluff region. Typically I'll use a mostly polarized 4betting range whose composition at 100bb is very Axo heavy. I agree with you that the A blocker is extremely important.
The preflop tree in hu nlhe is actually very intricate and contributes a ton to our EV. My gameplan is to generally be somewhat exploitative preflop and size my bluff/value regions according to my opponent's frequencies. I'll also try to use blockers to squeeze out a bit extra EV on my value hands and on my bluffs.
"sauce i got the ladyboy tied up in the back of my truck what do you want me to do with her?" ahahah must be nice being a popular pro you guys get free comedy from observer chat
great video ben. Versus someone who folds too much to 3bets (as you thought he maybe was early on), doesn't it make sense to 3bet a more polar strategy?
-If he is calling tighter then a lot of thinner 3bets get called by a better range and therefore you would prefer to be played against his initial pre flop opening range.
-Further, taking a hand at the bottom of ur caling range and turning it into a 3b seems to make sense because you take a hand with 0ev (given that its at bottom of calling range) and turn it into a hand thats +EV given he folds too much to 3bets.
Also, wouldn't it make sense to size down a bit if he over folding? (i know he wasn't over folding too bad, but I've faced many who fold a bit more then him) It makes your bluffs cheaper if he does not call wider and it gets your value hands paid a bit more often
And in the last hand (AQ) on 9d2h2dTh, what do you do versus this bet on turn with QJs KJs KQs given you may lose to some of his bluffs if he chooses to double barrel AXo. Just take your pot odds and call?
Usually when players fold to a lot of 3bets it just increases the EV of any non premium hand relative to calling. That doesn't mean very weak hands will be +EV 3bets, it just means that 3betting weaker hands will be less bad than if villain defended an appropriate amount.
No competent villain will be getting close to an MDF for a pot sized 3bet (folding 67%), and the bulk of villain's VPIPs vs 3bet are going to be calls where our hand strength matters, so even when villain folds often we still need a strong hand to 3b.
He opens too much which is why Sauce is increasing his 3b, so 3b is immediately profitable. You are correct though that if we 3b a ton and he calls tight we are not enjoying life once called (but that's occurring infrequently so its not what we should be concerned with when determining our preflop strat). I think to answer your question about if its better to 3b polar and call with the hands that sauce has chosen to 3b linearly, you'd have to be able to extract more value post flop with those hands than you would immediately gain by exploiting him preflop with his high fold to 3b stat. I think both strategies are going to be correct adjustments to this player as long as you know that if you choose to call those hands like KTo pre (or any other similar hands that I would assume fall into a linear value 3b range) then you need to be doing it with intentions of calling down wider against this player &/or other things like x/r'ing turns etc.
Nice to see some HUNL from you Sauce... It would be really cool to watch you and someone like Kevin play HU and each one of you make your own video about the spots that come up.
Hi Ben, coming from a 6-max background, I often find myself struggling to select which no or low equity hands I should bluff on the flop in HUNL and which ones will prefer to check back and delay a bluff. What are some of the perimeters you consider when constructing these ranges? I also play on an anonymous site so I virtually never have a sufficient sample size to trust any sort of post flop stats.
I noticed you chose to delay a bluff on a KJxr texture with T4o and was thinking that both Ax and Qx turns would give you equity and allow you to represent turned top or middle pairs when delaying a cbet. Is something like this a relevant consideration?
You generally want to cb air with more backdoor equity on runouts you might be bluffing. For example, on KJ4r, 65+BFD is a much higher frequency cb bluff than T6 no backdoor. In spots where you think your full range has a +EV cb opportunity, it's usually OK to mix in some very weak air, so long as you save some of this air for other lines such as X/X/X, and X/X/X/X.
14:52 you decided to x/r 65o on T43r as a part of a mixed strategy. Even against a high cbet strategy on dry flops (70%) doesn't this, when you rarely have TT/T4o/T3o on your flatting range, leaves your raising range too vulnerable ? How do you approach bluff raise frequencies (high equity vs low equity bluffs) on boards that your range doesn't have very often a good portion of the off suit two pair combos ?
If I am not wrong Ben did take the x/c x/r line on Q878 and gave up on the 7 river. If he can compare the two situations to each line someday, that will be great.
Thanks a lot! Really cool one as always! i feel empowered, enlightened and ready to crush fierce l100 action! :) Please make more HU videos, we have very little pros making them :((
As a random idea (which i understand is very unlikely to materialize) - maybe you and Kevin could make one joint video one day, given you styles seems to be drastically different and it could be very informative. That said, any video of yours would be, of course, super cool
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do you have a range of 4b bluff pré ? i feel like i have never seen you do so. low Axo that you fold pre v 3b seems fine,
Yep, I definitely have a 4b bluff region. Typically I'll use a mostly polarized 4betting range whose composition at 100bb is very Axo heavy. I agree with you that the A blocker is extremely important.
The preflop tree in hu nlhe is actually very intricate and contributes a ton to our EV. My gameplan is to generally be somewhat exploitative preflop and size my bluff/value regions according to my opponent's frequencies. I'll also try to use blockers to squeeze out a bit extra EV on my value hands and on my bluffs.
Great video as always Ben.
39:30 You say you check because you want him to have clubs when you bet but surely you don't want him to have Kxcc!
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41min15 : Someone is leaving you a comment in the chat. Can you tell us more about it ?
"sauce i got the ladyboy tied up in the back of my truck what do you want me to do with her?" ahahah must be nice being a popular pro you guys get free comedy from observer chat
great video ben. Versus someone who folds too much to 3bets (as you thought he maybe was early on), doesn't it make sense to 3bet a more polar strategy?
-If he is calling tighter then a lot of thinner 3bets get called by a better range and therefore you would prefer to be played against his initial pre flop opening range.
-Further, taking a hand at the bottom of ur caling range and turning it into a 3b seems to make sense because you take a hand with 0ev (given that its at bottom of calling range) and turn it into a hand thats +EV given he folds too much to 3bets.
Also, wouldn't it make sense to size down a bit if he over folding? (i know he wasn't over folding too bad, but I've faced many who fold a bit more then him) It makes your bluffs cheaper if he does not call wider and it gets your value hands paid a bit more often
And in the last hand (AQ) on 9d2h2dTh, what do you do versus this bet on turn with QJs KJs KQs given you may lose to some of his bluffs if he chooses to double barrel AXo. Just take your pot odds and call?
FBB,
Usually when players fold to a lot of 3bets it just increases the EV of any non premium hand relative to calling. That doesn't mean very weak hands will be +EV 3bets, it just means that 3betting weaker hands will be less bad than if villain defended an appropriate amount.
No competent villain will be getting close to an MDF for a pot sized 3bet (folding 67%), and the bulk of villain's VPIPs vs 3bet are going to be calls where our hand strength matters, so even when villain folds often we still need a strong hand to 3b.
He opens too much which is why Sauce is increasing his 3b, so 3b is immediately profitable. You are correct though that if we 3b a ton and he calls tight we are not enjoying life once called (but that's occurring infrequently so its not what we should be concerned with when determining our preflop strat). I think to answer your question about if its better to 3b polar and call with the hands that sauce has chosen to 3b linearly, you'd have to be able to extract more value post flop with those hands than you would immediately gain by exploiting him preflop with his high fold to 3b stat. I think both strategies are going to be correct adjustments to this player as long as you know that if you choose to call those hands like KTo pre (or any other similar hands that I would assume fall into a linear value 3b range) then you need to be doing it with intentions of calling down wider against this player &/or other things like x/r'ing turns etc.
Nice to see some HUNL from you Sauce... It would be really cool to watch you and someone like Kevin play HU and each one of you make your own video about the spots that come up.
Hi Ben, coming from a 6-max background, I often find myself struggling to select which no or low equity hands I should bluff on the flop in HUNL and which ones will prefer to check back and delay a bluff. What are some of the perimeters you consider when constructing these ranges? I also play on an anonymous site so I virtually never have a sufficient sample size to trust any sort of post flop stats.
I noticed you chose to delay a bluff on a KJxr texture with T4o and was thinking that both Ax and Qx turns would give you equity and allow you to represent turned top or middle pairs when delaying a cbet. Is something like this a relevant consideration?
Thanks!
reStacks,
You generally want to cb air with more backdoor equity on runouts you might be bluffing. For example, on KJ4r, 65+BFD is a much higher frequency cb bluff than T6 no backdoor. In spots where you think your full range has a +EV cb opportunity, it's usually OK to mix in some very weak air, so long as you save some of this air for other lines such as X/X/X, and X/X/X/X.
Ben, great video.
14:52 you decided to x/r 65o on T43r as a part of a mixed strategy. Even against a high cbet strategy on dry flops (70%) doesn't this, when you rarely have TT/T4o/T3o on your flatting range, leaves your raising range too vulnerable ? How do you approach bluff raise frequencies (high equity vs low equity bluffs) on boards that your range doesn't have very often a good portion of the off suit two pair combos ?
Thanks in advance.
I was to ask the exact same thing - especially given that you said he's 2-barreling quite a lot - isn't this a good spot for a XC -> XR line?
*loving the vid so far - thanks a lot!
If I am not wrong Ben did take the x/c x/r line on Q878 and gave up on the 7 river. If he can compare the two situations to each line someday, that will be great.
He actually XR vs delayed CB, so it's a little different. :)
Yes, sorry about that. Please come back Ben. :)
Ben,
Thanks a lot! Really cool one as always! i feel empowered, enlightened and ready to crush fierce l100 action! :) Please make more HU videos, we have very little pros making them :((
As a random idea (which i understand is very unlikely to materialize) - maybe you and Kevin could make one joint video one day, given you styles seems to be drastically different and it could be very informative. That said, any video of yours would be, of course, super cool
@ 13.40 if he shoves against your AK, call or fold?
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