2 Table $50/$100 HU NLHE vs ChaoRen160 (part 1)
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started drooling when I saw the video title :)))))))
Given that you cbet 54 on AK8, it seems like the turned gutshot is an ideal barrel, blocking some of his Ax and not blocking flush draws, 8x and QT type stuff. What do you think about this?
I wouldn't take the cbet as given in planning future streets - I believe I was cbetting one and done more often because of his very wide preflop game. I have plenty of other hands in my cbet range that will choose to barrel, but I'm going to be more selective on the turn.
The title makes me wet I mean drooling . Was going to work but fuk it. Cliff coming
Edit :
Thank you so much for bring us this awesome video. I love your pandorabux series. This is even better.
Cliff:
If you don’t watch this video, you wasted your RIO subscription. Enough said.- If you think Chaoren160 is a Asian player, you will be disappointed
- Chaoren160 run some no equity bluffs
- Reduce opening frequency should coordinate with increase sizing
- One key spot can give us insight on what kind of animal we messing with @24:00
- If villain bets too thin on the turn, he leaves his checking range vulnerable. We need to attack his checking range in similar spots.
Please don't ever stop writing these summaries
got such a hardon reading the title!
The very first degenking of sweden.
You should be paid by RIO making these cliffs :D
really cool video.
at 7min, on table 2, why do u cbet 550 into 518 on 974r with 96? also at 13min, same sizing on 983r with 98.
at 44min, why dont u cbet range on Q22hh? it seems u have a strong advantage on this board to do so. why do u prefer doing it on higher board pairs?
I had this question too. Seems like he randomly bets a little over pot on some dry boards IP where it doesn't really make sense. Would love to hear some more reasoning on this play
7min - these are board textures that give me an advantage on the top end of our ranges when villain flats pre. Overpairs are near nutted at the moment and I'm forcing him to pay extra on early streets before the board changes in ways where overpairs are no longer nutted.
44min - I addressed this below; I think the distribution of both players' ranges is such that I want to create a polar range that goes for stacks on Q22 but I want to bet smaller on Q88. I won't be able to go for stacks nearly as often on Q88, but I also still have a slight lead with a lot of hands and don't want to give the button free equity.
wow thanks that comment cleaned a lot up in my head
Pretty common to use a descending betsize on these textures across 3 streets.
Elite quality video. Very good analysis on the Q7ss hand.
20:16 any particular reason to overbet 863r against him ? given how wide he plays pre, doesn't this board category you should be willing to attack less than against the std defense range ?
See above for the overbet cbet
Great video Kevin, looking forward to the future parts.
Could you elaborate on your cbet sizing choise on the middling connected flops (98x,97x), I assume you did some sims prior to the match which showed that this sizing benefits your particular strategy for cbetting those boards the most?
If this refers to the >pot sizing choice, I'll address it above
Turitz the illuminati scientologist
Great vid!
I didnt understand your point on don't cb with a high frequency on the Q22fd 3b pot board, you said it's a better board than Q88 (for example), so, shouldn't you be attacking it MORE often?
Thank you!
Not necessarily - the board is better in the sense that my value range has a bigger edge on this board. I don't think that I'm distributed in the way where I'd want to bet everything in my range, but I do think I can create a wide polar range that attacks him for stacks here.
I hope you know Chaoren is the best swedish cash game player and that he's been crushing online poker for over 10 years. NL is also one of his strongest games.
I just also read Turitz plays without a hud. That's what you would expect from an evil illuminati reptilian overlord.
But seriously this guy is a legend, how could you not know!
Nice video!
25:00: You open A3s, check back K33r and delayed CB on Js turn that also gave you a FD, but didn't say anything about the hand.
Is this a standard check back for you? If so, why?
Given the opponent, it would seem to me that checking back is a mistake. You mention that he has XR flop with zero equity hands before, and we also see this once in the video where he XR and give up with 96o on KQ3r.
26:20: You call an open with Js9o. XC on KsQsQ, turn Ts goes XX. River 2o and you lead for about 1.4x pot. You explain that your betting range is basically Qx or better, thus the sizing.
I wonder which hands you would use for bluffs here to balance that range? It would seem that AdX are reasonable candidates, but they also have some showdown value. I'm also curious how light you peel the flop?
28:10: You open Qs4o. XX on 6s5s3o. Face a probe and you call on 2s turn. River is 2o and opponent checks, you check back.
You don't value bet the straight here and I'm curious why? Villain's range doesn't have a very large number of better hands and you also block the flush. You could conceivably be bluffing with various turn peels, although mainly club draws without pairs. Facing the XR is of course a concern, and perhaps there aren't that many hands in villain's range that will lead this turn and then opt for XC on the river. But those are just some thoughts.
Interested to hear how you approach the river spot as a whole.
Many thanks!
25 - This was a standard trap for me at the time, and I don't like to stray away from that based on limited info. It's easy to end up never benefiting from traps like this if you wait until it becomes obvious that you need to start trapping before doing so. It's also a general mindset of mine not to overadjust to a single thing that my opponent is doing. Just because he's active vs cbets doesn't mean I want to cbet strong hands with 100% frequency and stop bluffing.
26:20 - Yep mostly ace high will be bluffing here. I have to bluff with some hands that have a bit of showdown value if I'm ever going to get paid off in these spots because my whole range has that showdown value.
28:10 - Yeah good catch, I think I missed a bet here. I'm certainly not expecting to run into 1 pair often, but I can rep some missed fds and also have some nut flushes that will protect me vs a x/r.
Thanks for the reply! Looking forward to part two.
Right away with the AdQ I think it is a common misconception that we should prefer to cbet the "stronger" AdX combos and check the weaker (no straight draw or strong highcard) AdX combos.
Combos like AdQx and AdTx have more SDV and more EV as a call when facing a turn bet after the flop checks through than hands like Ad3x which can be used as our flop nfd cbets.
Fwiw the equilibrium solvers seem to agree with this concept- could be interesting to discuss the possible reasons for this and why cbetting the AdQx as you describe could actually be a better choice in practice vs common opponent strategies.
Interesting point - it likely won't surprise you that I've spent little/no time with snowie or similar programs. I don't cbet this over Ad3x for any specific practical reasons but I feel we can duplicate the same argument of AdQx being a better call vs turn probe as we can vs flop x/r or simply vs flop x/c, so intuitively I want to choose that I'm putting in money with the stronger of the nearly equivalent bluffs. When I cbet the money goes in 100% of the time, which is not true when I check behind, which is a good summary for why I assumed it was superior.
on 27:40 you choose to overbet the str8 but i think its very hard to find enough bluffs in our range to bet that big
Without doing the math, but assuming your calling range OTF contains any FD, gutter, A high and made hands. The only hands which need to bluff are A high and even turning all of them into a bluff seems hard to even back up a half pot bet.
Even if u c/c flop with Jdx which i dont know and u can out that into your bluffing range its hard to balance an overbet from my perspective.
This was my thinking also, I would be interested to see a reply regarding this.
I mentioned this in an above comment, but AdX is a very reasonable bluff hand in this situation and accounts for a lot of the necessary combos by itself. I can expand this bluff range to include enough AxXd hands to make the sizing work.
Hi Kevin !
I really love your videos, I'm learning a ton, thanks !
One thing that bother me in this video is when you say you have to tighten your opening range.
For me poker is all about the blinds, and especially in hu where I feel like we always can find a strategy with any hand in the top 90% that is better than losing -50bb/100 by folding. Cause we have the position advantage.
So I feel like we already loose a part of the match when we get to fold more BTNs. Except if it's for an exploitative reason because villain is putting too much money with his bad hands in general. But I don't think it's the case of a 50/100 reg. Like I'm consistently hunting regs that plays too tight cause I'm printing money against them. And that's a reason why I defend wide and aggressively early in a match. And the guys that give me troubles are not the one that tighten their ranges (on the contrary I love when they do that) but the ones who don't let me run over them.
So wouldn't it be better to develop a limping and raise strategy in those situation ? Instead of tightening and opening bigger ?
And also isn't opening bigger making villain's 3bets more efficient and reducing our positional advantage (esp in 3bet pots) ? (I guess this is less relevant though).
It's very difficult to compare preflop strategies in simulation, but I've tried and analyzed the results of a few different options over a few years. Some general observations to address your points:
-Limping strong hands cuts into our profit we would make by raising those hands
-Raising weak hands as part of a strong range yields a very good result for those weak hands
As for your point on 3betting, his 3bets won't be particularly efficient when I'm opening a strong range and not folding often to them, regardless of my sizing.
15:00 Table 2 77
I'm curious about your river sizing of 557 into 898.
It seems like a spot where your value range is probably in the region of A7+ (Maybe some weaker Ax?), but you'll have this pretty huge subset of flop gutters that missed. To me it seemed like your range might benefit from a slightly larger size of like 700ish to get more of those air combos in. What are your thoughts on this?
I think my sizing in game intended to cater to my Ax hands, but that hand strength could definitely go bigger here. I expect you're right with this one.
your opponent might be the biggest winner in onlinepoker history^^
min 10:10, you explain that you might go for a smaller sizing, when the turn is more connected to the flop, whereas you go for stacks on the 5 turn. Could you explain why? I guess it's an exploitive statement, right?
No this comment was referring to my overall range strategy - on a more coordinated turn I think I'd be overplaying most of the 1pair strength hands in my range by going for stacks, while on this turn I think that's the best option for those hands.
Hey Kevin sorry couldn't run the CREV file yet from the last video, is just i needed so many details about bluffing frequencies, estimation here and there and i didn`t want a make it wrong.. sorry again..some questions are coming soon, big fan again mate and please keep making this awesome videos!
So i notice your sizes are huge in the flop (like pure polar), i also notice old videos of Phil Galfond HU NL are huge,specially in high stakes like this... why is that?? it seems to me that in HU we will be attacking a lot of boards so sizing should tend to be smaller... i like your commend when you said "Reduce opening frequency should coordinate with increase sizing" very cool on the hurry adjustment to make in game.. cheers my man and great stuff again!
In what flop situations are you referring to? There are some spots where I've chosen to use a more linear strategy with smaller bet sizing, and others where I'm being more polar with larger sizing.
Nice series, Kevin!
One question: 40:50 J7o/ How u choose such spots to run ~no eqity bluff? In this paticular spot opponents range looks like a Tx a lot, isn't it too ambitious to try to fold it on such a dry board, where he is able to calldown 2 bets pretty easy and will look us up very often.
On these Ace high boards when it checks through on the flop, if you forget to bluff some % of combos like the one Kevin bluffed your river range will have a dearth of bluffs on many runouts.
You might notice many regs being too passive on the turn probe in these spots and realize that it makes sense to fold a lot of your bluffcatchers on the river when you check back flop and face turn probe and river follow through.
Anyone else notice that a lot of players don't bluff nearly often enough on the river after probing turn on such textures?
Also, his hand isn't no equity it does have overcard equity vs a majority of villains calling range.
I do like to attack A high boards at a higher freq because our value range is quite wide, but i think you're making the mistake of expecting him to have the top of his range quite often. He will definitely call Tx twice (and also plays Tx this way a high % of the time that he has it). That still doesn't mean we can't bluff for 2 streets and generate sufficient fold equity.
As mush pointed out below I think many players underbluff by waiting for draws yet on this board my hand is not a bad draw at all (plus it has no sd value). I'd be careful not to bluff Qhigh+ and also not hands without some overcard value in relation to Chao's turn call range (here we have 1 overcard to his Tx and 2 overcards to his 5x).
4 minutes in on the left table, I see you bluffing bottom of range with your 54o. What type of hands do you value bet for that sizing in that spot? Mostly Ax and Kx correct?
I'd say mostly Ax and Q7, I almost never have Kx here (although if I had K9-KJ I'd bet, yes).
Makes sense. Thanks~
Awesome !!! Thank you
Wow, Did I miss something? You elite pro? That's awesome! :D
Any particular reason you dont split your betsizings before the river? Do you think you give up a lot of ev by doing so?
Edit: nvm, get's answered well in part 2 :)
Great video,
The A3ss hand that was checked down to river after you called bb and it ran out 532r5x4x you vb and he raises small, isnt that a nice spot to go for a bet 3bet? It seems to me you are much more likely to have full houses here, for calling pre and checking flop and turn potentially going for check raises. Additionally, as you mentioned, he seems the type that can go for thin value here with an Ace, and def a 6. Seems like a decent spot to put in a nice big 3b, what do you think?
Thanks,
Great video man , 16:20 you give a call on the river with KTo ( J2AT4 ) . At the time I thought of the raised line, as it has the K and I believe that the villain would drop TP or even two pair. You think very spew ?
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