Hi Paul,
Just curious at 10:19. You say 99 isn't an appropriate bet for value which I agree with. But, is there any merit for betting for protection? Or no because you're semi-bluffing your gutters/flush draws...?
Also, would a bet from him make sense on the river had the turn gone c/c or no for the same reasons you stated on the turn?
I don't think this really works as a bet even for protection. My range will contain too many Jx, TT, QQ, and KK. I'll also have a chunk of Ax (weighted mostly towards the weaker ones). Further, if he's betting 99, he's just leaving his range extremely weak when he checks river. If you're betting 99 for protection here from my unpaired overcard combos (of which there aren't many, as I would frequently have bet them), why not bet Jx, 7x, 88, 66, and 55 as well? I doubt he's doing any sort of book-keeping here.
His strategy will likely end up containing far too many marginal turn bets. Again, this leaves his check turn range very weak. Perhaps more importantly, we can employ an aggressive turn xr strategy since his range will not be able to defend anywhere near as frequently as it needs to (given the abundance of marginal combos).
Yeah weird spot for sure. My call vs raise on the flop is meh, and I'd be fine with making a fold here as well. Some players will raise aggressively as BB after seeing SB just call vs the min bet, so it's important that I have some slowplays. Perhaps at 50nl it is uncommon for BB to attack this spot. Turn it's a clear fold.
I apologize for this and I realize this can be frustrating as a viewer. Some spots can be trivial in their closeness (such as a hand that is right on the threshold of call/fold as BB vs BTN open) and do not warrant explanation of which factors can shift the decision, and others are certainly worthy of further discussion. Please feel free to list timestamps if you feel like I've missed any of the latter.
AK hand 3mins: You said you were going to bet some rivers, I assuming all diamond rivers will be bet but are you going to bluff any other rivers and if so what do you expect villians call/call/fold range to be?
Also, how should villain react with KQ utg vs SB 3b facing 3 bets on a blank run out?
The diamonds seem like the obvious follow throughs with this combo. On complete blanks, we would of course prefer to not have the Ad. However, I'd imagine that barreling again would be fine at some frequency. This is especially true when we have a non-heart K (given that he's likely folding offsuit combinations of KQ pre).
As for how IP should react otr w/ KQ, I'm guessing it would depend on the exact river and whether or not you have KQdd. To be entirely honest though, this is a question better reserved for PIO. From there, you can also make some assumptions about how OOP has deviated on the river or earlier streets to conclude how IP should also deviate.
A8
OTF we basically have higher equity with AhX as opposed to A non-heart. Yes, this works against us if the runout is non-heart non-heart. I'm not sure if I'm missing something in your question though.
KQ
Yep, I agree with you here. The only reason to be overly aggressive here is if you think you can get your opponent to overfold to subsequent bets, or if you think your opponent is calling significantly too wide preflop.
A8 hand 4mins. I find these spots interesting as you said 'with the A of hearts this is a clear call' its interesting because while we the A of hearts is good on the flop as it increases our equity and provides bluffing opportunities on flush completing cards doesn't it then become a bad card to have on later streets as it reduces villains potential bluffing combos? ( I think nut flush draw with J kicker or higher should go into PFR's check call range but I would assume most players at Nl50 bet most of their NFDs)
KQd hand at 32 mins. You say this is a pretty decent board for us but I think we have slight range disadvantage here vs most IP cold call range and in particular MP vs UTG range, yes we have the better PPs and some 5x but we also have alot of off suit BW hands and Scs that MP won't have. The Distribution of pairs in cold callers range is at a higher percentage than ours so I don't think we can cbet as liberally as most believe do due to lack of fold equity.
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Hi Paul,
Just curious at 10:19. You say 99 isn't an appropriate bet for value which I agree with. But, is there any merit for betting for protection? Or no because you're semi-bluffing your gutters/flush draws...?
Also, would a bet from him make sense on the river had the turn gone c/c or no for the same reasons you stated on the turn?
I don't think this really works as a bet even for protection. My range will contain too many Jx, TT, QQ, and KK. I'll also have a chunk of Ax (weighted mostly towards the weaker ones). Further, if he's betting 99, he's just leaving his range extremely weak when he checks river. If you're betting 99 for protection here from my unpaired overcard combos (of which there aren't many, as I would frequently have bet them), why not bet Jx, 7x, 88, 66, and 55 as well? I doubt he's doing any sort of book-keeping here.
His strategy will likely end up containing far too many marginal turn bets. Again, this leaves his check turn range very weak. Perhaps more importantly, we can employ an aggressive turn xr strategy since his range will not be able to defend anywhere near as frequently as it needs to (given the abundance of marginal combos).
@ 18:11 The 69h hand on 7c6h3s MW is so confusing, so you x-call a bet from IP in sb then bb 2nd player x-raise squeezes IP folds and now you call?
Do you expect bb to be xing range here as does sb and he will have a lot of GS combos like 4x in this spot, MW pots are so tough in general...
Yeah weird spot for sure. My call vs raise on the flop is meh, and I'd be fine with making a fold here as well. Some players will raise aggressively as BB after seeing SB just call vs the min bet, so it's important that I have some slowplays. Perhaps at 50nl it is uncommon for BB to attack this spot. Turn it's a clear fold.
"MW pots are so tough in general..."
Ugh, trying playing 25-50NL Zone on Bovada. Well over half the pots I play are multi-way in 25NL...
Also really good video def my favorite live play so far, mainly coz of the spots you got in which i had a lot of questions on how to play haha
i often hear things like..."this is really close" would be useful to hear that followed up with, "because of x"
I apologize for this and I realize this can be frustrating as a viewer. Some spots can be trivial in their closeness (such as a hand that is right on the threshold of call/fold as BB vs BTN open) and do not warrant explanation of which factors can shift the decision, and others are certainly worthy of further discussion. Please feel free to list timestamps if you feel like I've missed any of the latter.
Hi Paul
AK hand 3mins: You said you were going to bet some rivers, I assuming all diamond rivers will be bet but are you going to bluff any other rivers and if so what do you expect villians call/call/fold range to be?
Also, how should villain react with KQ utg vs SB 3b facing 3 bets on a blank run out?
Hey QoC.
AK
The diamonds seem like the obvious follow throughs with this combo. On complete blanks, we would of course prefer to not have the Ad. However, I'd imagine that barreling again would be fine at some frequency. This is especially true when we have a non-heart K (given that he's likely folding offsuit combinations of KQ pre).
As for how IP should react otr w/ KQ, I'm guessing it would depend on the exact river and whether or not you have KQdd. To be entirely honest though, this is a question better reserved for PIO. From there, you can also make some assumptions about how OOP has deviated on the river or earlier streets to conclude how IP should also deviate.
A8
OTF we basically have higher equity with AhX as opposed to A non-heart. Yes, this works against us if the runout is non-heart non-heart. I'm not sure if I'm missing something in your question though.
KQ
Yep, I agree with you here. The only reason to be overly aggressive here is if you think you can get your opponent to overfold to subsequent bets, or if you think your opponent is calling significantly too wide preflop.
A8 hand 4mins. I find these spots interesting as you said 'with the A of hearts this is a clear call' its interesting because while we the A of hearts is good on the flop as it increases our equity and provides bluffing opportunities on flush completing cards doesn't it then become a bad card to have on later streets as it reduces villains potential bluffing combos? ( I think nut flush draw with J kicker or higher should go into PFR's check call range but I would assume most players at Nl50 bet most of their NFDs)
KQd hand at 32 mins. You say this is a pretty decent board for us but I think we have slight range disadvantage here vs most IP cold call range and in particular MP vs UTG range, yes we have the better PPs and some 5x but we also have alot of off suit BW hands and Scs that MP won't have. The Distribution of pairs in cold callers range is at a higher percentage than ours so I don't think we can cbet as liberally as most believe do due to lack of fold equity.
Thanks for your replies Paul. Ignore me re: A8 hand, not sure really what my point was no, think I was just talking out loud
Hey, Paul.
At 19:40, why do you think it could be correct to c/r on that board?
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