2 Table $2.5/$5 6-Max Zoom NLHE (part 2)
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First. Just set speed at 1.5x and get this over with.
nobody is forcing you to watch
For people who are new to this site, like me and still have those virgin dreams and goals of becoming a professional poker player. No matter how crazy they might be. Constructive criticism would go much further. I am looking for an opportunity to learn not only from coaches but from people who have consumed content for a long time. I would not write this comment if I did not see a comment below. As initially, I thought, this was an inside joke between two people who have known each other for a while.
If that is not the case, I would love to hear your true comments and reasons to avoid taking the time to devour more then a decade of knowledge from Ben.
No pun intended.
I can elect to watch and I can elect to ask specific questions, or not.
Just as Ben can elect to to respond to these questions, or not.
Hi Ben,
I think this longer series of videos has been great and would love to see the other parts. Its very interesting to see how you progress through a session as you build reads and I think your playing very well that day aswell :)
At 8:30 you say your flatting the KQs because he is tight, if you did 4bet against a loose opponent would you consider it a bluff or for value? Or a hand you use to balance out your range on diffrent boards?
At 17min you check raise 55 on the 973 board, is this a raise for protection(ish)? Or are you planning on bluffing different runouts? If you are bluffing are there not better combos or am I missing something in these spots?
Thanks
@8:30, KQs is value 4b that benefits from folds
@17min, On high freq cb boards for the IP player where protection is important, OOP must XR a high freq to deny IP a 1/3 pot bet that both generates flop fold equity and almost always gets IP to see the river. Many of OOP's continues can be played as mixed calls/raises at equilibrium here. The concept is similar to flop SRP IP vs BB where flop cb is high.
Nice Format! It seemed like you were really getting zoned in the longer you were playing. Thanks for the bonus time on the footage.
Thanks Bryan, I know there's a danger with these long form live play videos for the content to become stale, but I felt like I was playing better as the video went on and that it might make for good learning.
your best live play video in ages imo. some really cool plays and nice variation on the 'regular' kind of 500z style play that most regs adhere to. looking forward to the next vid!
Completely agree. I think ben's videos are way ahead of all other coaches, because of how many cool plays he makes, and how well he uses his blockers. Are there any other 6max coaches with similar style? I have been trying other coaches and even though are good, the videos are not as effective as Ben's.
Thanks
abhi147 Sauce is one of the top NL (and, I think, to a slightly lesser extent PLO) players in the world. AFAIK I don't believe anyone of his caliber is making instructional videos on any site aside from Mr. Clay Aiken. So, the simple answer to your question is no.
abhi147 Sauce is the smartest poker player on this training site but he also doesn't play a ton of NL compared to some of the other guys. i would say that the current best 6 max coach (other than Sauce) is pretty easily Tyler Forrester. his analysis is pretty mind-blowing as he discusses seemingly innocuous spots with extreme detail and care.
Kevin Rabichow is an excellent coach, who mainly specialises in HUNL but has started to do some 6 max vids as well. his HU vids will help your 6 max game out too, however, alongside his newer 6 max content.
and then Francisco Lacriola is a theory only coach but specialises in 6 max content, so i would watch him alongside these other coaches for some greater understanding of WHY these great players make such plays/moves in game.
Thanks as always Ben for an excellent video. At 41:30 with Q5dd when checking rivered gutshot, are you calling or raising if our opponent had chosen to bet river?
It will depend on the size. Vs >=~3/4th pot I'll call.
19:40 w the AQss hand. I would be betting this texture constantly in my games 100/200nl american site, and in live games. It does make some sense because AQ has reasonable showdown vs calling range, and if villain isnt folding much PP's to aggression, it seems like a good combo to have in a check back.
Curious as to your thoughts here tho.
Please ask a clearer question
22:58 w the flopped 56 straight. if you are so concerned about him missing that flop so much, you could just bet really small to induce spazzes+get light floats. You at least build the pot this way, get value from a really wide range
I think that would have been a better play. Betting small loses value against the T9o-KQo type of hands in his range that might fold and have outs to bet future streets. My play only makes sense if he's heavily weighted towards that type of hand.
hi ben: ty very much for the video!!
1- On min 56:00 Flop 2 5 7 fd....
- What it ill be you raise frequency whit sets here? in order to allow other hands to raise for being balance on the times he re-raised you on the flop!
- Do you ever have holding big pairs in this situation and raise the flop whit?
- What would be your butom pair calling range agains 4bet on the flop to get stack whit?
There's tons more raise freq with sets on this board as stacks get deeper. At 100bb, when hands like 88+ are comfortably stacking off, sets are slowplayed more often. I'd guess I'm raising a lot of my 22 and some of my 55 deep.
Yes, you can raise big pairs, but you're not trying to get all in with 88 here deep
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Against Az1nvazion ... hour 1.0.6 Whit 34s on A38 rainbow
-why you said that it is going to be one of your best and standard bluff there?
-what impact have on his range that you have hearts in your hand?
-Would you consider x at some frequency on the river in non high ev cards for his range or it is a mandatory bluff almost always?
-Wich rivers make you stop bluffing?
Nice comment and thanks for the concise but specific questions
My hand is 54+hh on As3c8d.
-Because it's a gutter; it can't fold and it benefits from folds having 5 hi at showdown. It unblocks many bet/folds for IP
-If I have hearts my opponent will bet/call flop with hands like QJcc which will have easy folds on non club, non Q/J turns.
-Not having spades in my hand, and having 2 lo cards makes bluffing pretty mandatory I think
-I would stop bluffing on spade rivers
tnx for great video
at min 12, on left table. SB CB over bets on flop T93s as 3 bettor. Do u like this sizing choice, what are main reasons to pick this sizing rather than smaller?
Also checked this spot with PIO..do we want to bet this sizing very often to put max pressure on gutter hands like 86,76, KQ, KJ?
min 13:21, right table on 832r, IP uses pot size, and u mentioned it is a good size? why? is it OOP lacking 99+ and off suit two pair combos?
thanks
@12- I think OOP's EV is going to be robust to most sizing abstracta on this texture; so his sizing is likely fine if balanced well. It's kind of an accident that the sizing "puts pressure" on gutters; from a theory point of view bigger sizings always apply pressure to the bottoms of calling ranges vs small sizing and gutters happen to be the hand that fall into that category in this case.
@13:21- The pot is too small to worry about the nuts. The pot sized bet applies pressure to hands like KJ+BFD which have lots of EV to stay in the pot, and add deception/implied odds to OOP's continue range.
hello Ben, thanks for the video, i have two questions:
At around 11:40, why isnt the AQ a bluff on the river? I was thinking that we have so many straights, sets, flushes, that i'd always bluff my ace highs here, also because we can make our opponent fold AK which is a decent part of his range. Would love to hear the reason for a check.
Also in the 55 x/r hand on 973 around minute 17, you already explained in another comment the reason for a x/r, if you were called on the flop, would you checkfold most turns?
kind regards
@11:40- This kind of comes down to reads, the villain in the hand was a maniac and generally bluffing the maniac isn't great. I think it would have worked in this case though. In hindsight I like 4b pre as well.
@55 hand- yes, XF turns would be standard
Thanks for making the video longer then usual. Love the speed of the video! Keep it up Sauce
Haven't played Stars in a while, but I believe you can fold and see the hand play out in zoom by clicking control+fold.
Can you expand a bit on sizing down your 3bets oop as you get deeper? This goes against (what at least used to be the) conventional thinking.
Never mind. I see you've answered this elsewhere.
at 55:00 34s 3-bet pot. Why do you raise so small on flop? Do you not think it would have been better to raise bigger and have a shoving stack on the turn? Look at the awkward spr that you created on turn. It forced you to check your hand which is not great. Semi-bluff shoving turn with spr 1 would have been very powerful and more +EV than check and realise equity.
53:00 KQdd. Why do you not lead turn? Do you not think you have a polarity edge on this turn? Do you not want to bet this specific hand or range?
@55- the solver often likes raising smaller to put pressure on high freq cbets, and then mostly playing a 3street game.
@53 - Well, OOP certainly has a lot more 6x. I'm not sure how much leading there is here CO/BB; I did some work on this ages ago and concluded it wasn't adding much EV but it's something I'd like to revisit at some point
@55. I understand. But on draw-heavy textures equity denial becomes important. You cant just bet 0,33 pot on turn. So you either have to play a 2 street game or have a very awkward spr on turn. I would choose the former.
Bring on part 3! I'm curious about how important you think it is to be 3betting small pocket pairs with some frequency? Currently I'm playing on a site that doesn't allow HUD use and I never 3bet those hands mainly because I don't think the competition I'm playing (100nl) will be exploiting me for never having sets on a 652 board as the preflop 3better, and I also struggle to play those hands OOP. Is there any merit to this viewpoint? Or would you say that's a leak in my game? If it is a leak, do you have a rough estimate for what frequency you would want to 3bet those hands in a vacuum? (Sorry if that's too vague as I realize that will vary significantly based on positions.) Thanks for the consistently great content!
Totally fine not to 3b these hands in softer/HUDless games
Awesome series, moooare please
OOP 3 bet size:
Sauce can u explain why do u want to go smaller 200 bb deep oop in 3 bet pots. also i understand solvers like going 5x-6x oop. how do u deviate while playing a field of recs who are used to 3x oop 3 bet sizing.
I think it's just that you gain less from making the 4b SPR awkward for the IP player and gain more from forcing folds from the bajunky offsuit hands while playing a smaller pot vs IP's more playable continue range. Alternative description: trust the math.
Ben - any chance we can get you to make some PLO vids? Anyways, watched my first NL video ever here. Don’t really know what I was watching, but I enjoyed it. Two card PLO is a crazy game.
+1 for sauce PLO
The open-shoves by Macando are pretty wild.
7:30 33 hand on the left table. What bluff-shoves would you use on the river here? FDs seem like your only weak hands even though their blocker value is bad to bluff with on the river. Maybe 65s would float flop and bluff river?
53:00 KQdd why u don t check raise turn with kq suited since u block ak aq specially against his sizing
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