8.50 With 57 on the river, which hands you will turn into bluff. His range seems polarized with some nutted hands and many miss draws, along with some but not many 3x,4x type hands given his turn size, while your range looks a lot like Ax and some JJ-KK, 3x, 4x. So what your bet on the river accomplish, and is there any merit in checking or betting smaller like 1/4 of the pot?
Yeah, do you mean Kevin you expect him to check back some weak Ax otr and generally underbluff that river situation so that you arent concerned about your river range you dont lead?
I don't expect to x/c all of my ace highs on turn, probably AQ-AK around 75% and AJ- almost never. This puts my value range on the river around like 20 total combos (including some traps) I'd guess, and I think I'll have at least 2 missed fds that take this line, plus I'd probably get here quite often with 35s. I think if I'm playing well I'd be able to come to this conclusion somewhat quickly and lead that range for this size.
So in your opinion for 35s ev bet> ev check and for Ax ev bet> ev check. If its true he should has big number of 4x type hands, which he should call often enough for Ax's bet ev to be higher, but then 3x probably will has better ev as a check. Not sure what I am missing?
I checked the river game in PIO, but not sure how close to correct are the ranges I given. It choose to bet 25% of the pot with 2/3 of OOP range and to check 1/3, doesn't like bigger bets. It mostly bet with 75o with diamond or club and split between betting and checking without flush blocker. It likes to check 35s and bet it rarely with 25% sizing and the ev of betting and checking are close to equal.
With AK and AQ it prefers to bet 25% of the pot and with A2-A5s it prefers to check. When you face a shove your Ax combos are basically indifferent, but those without Q/K of diamond or club are slightly better hero calls. He should bluff shove over your lead with 55 1/3 of the time, with 78 close to half of the time, with 77 1/2 of the time and even with A4s and K4s 1/5 of the time.
Why does he likes to bluff with 78 river in vilain shoes ?
I find that this hand doesn't block anything for Hero, 55/77 seemed to be a better choice for me
8:35 57o 3b and CB 1/3 with board in favour to IP caller 634, also in min 6:09 3b AQ and bet the same sizing in heavy board 87J. also 30:05 AJo in 753r. Do you bet your entire range with this size? The idea is maintain the same EV with X or bet with this sizing? Can you explain little more your perception in this spot please. Thank for the great job.
It's a play I will make with my range when I used this sizing. I'm hoping to identify boards where my range is at a reasonable advantage and I have a large number of combos that prefer betting for protection/value over checking. Larger sizes won't let me bet such a high freqeuncy.
great video.
what do you bluff at 9min with 75 on river 6436A? what is the bottom of ur range to c/c turn there that u now turn into bluff?
at 31min, with ur 97s i agree club flushes that missed are bad bluffs cuz block ur folding range of club flushes. So what other hands 3b and then double barrel? theres probably some T7o on 96634 but T8 87 i dont expect to 3b a bunch. Would he bet turn with just naked overs like KQo? Your right, his value range is super wide and it is tough to think what bluffs shud be used on turn and river (i assume he cbet near range on flop for 33 into 71). If he 3bets hands like 42o or 54o, he made pair on river so those arent even bluffing now.
at 33min with 96 on JJ78, you use a small flop and small turn sizing as a general strat on these boards for protection/value? Seems you favor that strat rather than polarizing on turn (which makes sense as if u have Jx, ur removal effects make him overfold a bunch and dont get u proper value from 7x/8x that are drawing dead)
I believe the first question is addressed in the comments above. I'm glad you can help me justify a big fold at 31 minutes :)
33min: Yes, I use a lot of small/medium betting on these paired boards where it's quite easy for villain to build wide x/r ranges and have a wide value range (mid-high paired boards). I also expect it to generate overfolding which is nice.
Hello barewire. I watched this without sound and noted any spots I would've played differently. It ended up being waaay too long for a comment so I'll just post a few of them here:
2:30 - A2o - I fold vs. 3b and I don't think it's close. I'd much rather call the 53s you fold at 25:00.
8:30 - 75o - never in my 3b range and I'm curious why you're polar here (96o later also).
6:00 - AQo - Are you c-betting 1/3 with your range as an exploit? I think the sizing is whatever; I probably slightly prefer a bigger bet but I doubt it matters much and the smaller bet might just be better exploitatively vs the population. Most of the time I'm c-betting 1/3 pot it's with 100% of my range but J87ss is probably a bottom 10-15% flop range vs range here, so I'm not going to be betting anywhere near my whole range regardless of sizing. I think I'd just c/f my AQ combos without bdfd.
24:45 - 77 - I like a 3b vs this villain (instead of 75o!). As played I'd call river because he seems to be following through with his missed draws too often and the river misses them all while also obviously reducing his Kx combos.
27:10 - A5o - I'm calling turn vs an unknown but it seems like a clear call vs this player who I expect to barrell all of his straight draws and not bet thinly enough for value. I'd always call A2 vs him also.
2:30 - Past data of mine seems to show those types of hands are quite close/similar, but my intuition tells me that A2o-A5o perform better against aggressive opponents by being able to realize more equity at 100bb than 53s type hands will. Do you agree with that?
8:30 - I wouldn't call this range totally polar, but it's a pretty strong range with some bluffs like this that come in handy postflop sometimes.
6 - I agree with most of your points and this particular board texture might not fit the rule of thumb I often use to identify boards where I can make a 1/3 bet with my range. Complicated strategies are something I do like to avoid, if you can't tell :)
24:45 - Yeah this is a strange fold at second look for me, I don't think I block much of the hands he would bluff for a delayed 2 barrel, at least not more than any other hand, so I should probably just be calling the best x% of hand strengths against someone aggro who is willing to follow through.
27 - Agreed again, this is a pretty standard call especially for reduced sizing unless I had some kind of read on the reduced size being specific to him turning Tx...
2:30 - Interesting. I don't have enough data of my own because I hardly ever flat weaker Axo hands vs. 3-bets. I actually though 53s would realize its equity better than A2o - I guess you're saying the SPR is too small in a 3b pot at 100bb for this to be true? At what point do you think it flip-flops?
8:30 - makes sense if it's for board coverage and we don't think our SCs/1-2 gappers are enough, but why not choose slightly stronger hands like 98o-65o? Or are you choosing 96o/75o because they're similar but you're not able to profitably flat them? Would your hand selection change vs a 2x open or a 3x open?
Thanks for the reply. I'm glad we generally agreed on the postflop stuff as that's where I've been focusing most of my attention. Looks like I need to brush up on some preflop work tho =p
hey kevin , so i see u three 96off, that seems super polorised to me, and abit too trashy, surley your 3bet % is going to be really high if u add hands like this, i usually add more suited combos of hands like this to 3 bet can you explain why your strategy is more optimal?cheers
I do control the frequency of hands like this, and I mentioned in an above comment that I find these combos useful in many postflop situations where a stronger range might struggle to find balance.
at min 33, you are talking about your game plan which was originally stabing and then bluff-catching floats? Against what opponent's tendencies we should have this game plan?
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Great video, Kevin!
8.50 With 57 on the river, which hands you will turn into bluff. His range seems polarized with some nutted hands and many miss draws, along with some but not many 3x,4x type hands given his turn size, while your range looks a lot like Ax and some JJ-KK, 3x, 4x. So what your bet on the river accomplish, and is there any merit in checking or betting smaller like 1/4 of the pot?
11:40 - 8d2d, god mode enabled! :D
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Yeah, do you mean Kevin you expect him to check back some weak Ax otr and generally underbluff that river situation so that you arent concerned about your river range you dont lead?
I don't expect to x/c all of my ace highs on turn, probably AQ-AK around 75% and AJ- almost never. This puts my value range on the river around like 20 total combos (including some traps) I'd guess, and I think I'll have at least 2 missed fds that take this line, plus I'd probably get here quite often with 35s. I think if I'm playing well I'd be able to come to this conclusion somewhat quickly and lead that range for this size.
So in your opinion for 35s ev bet> ev check and for Ax ev bet> ev check. If its true he should has big number of 4x type hands, which he should call often enough for Ax's bet ev to be higher, but then 3x probably will has better ev as a check. Not sure what I am missing?
55-99 as well are a lot of possible combos for him
I checked the river game in PIO, but not sure how close to correct are the ranges I given. It choose to bet 25% of the pot with 2/3 of OOP range and to check 1/3, doesn't like bigger bets. It mostly bet with 75o with diamond or club and split between betting and checking without flush blocker. It likes to check 35s and bet it rarely with 25% sizing and the ev of betting and checking are close to equal.
With AK and AQ it prefers to bet 25% of the pot and with A2-A5s it prefers to check. When you face a shove your Ax combos are basically indifferent, but those without Q/K of diamond or club are slightly better hero calls. He should bluff shove over your lead with 55 1/3 of the time, with 78 close to half of the time, with 77 1/2 of the time and even with A4s and K4s 1/5 of the time.
Why does he likes to bluff with 78 river in vilain shoes ?
I find that this hand doesn't block anything for Hero, 55/77 seemed to be a better choice for me
It blocks 57, 76s, 86s, which sometimes could take this line and has no show down value.
8:35 57o 3b and CB 1/3 with board in favour to IP caller 634, also in min 6:09 3b AQ and bet the same sizing in heavy board 87J. also 30:05 AJo in 753r. Do you bet your entire range with this size? The idea is maintain the same EV with X or bet with this sizing? Can you explain little more your perception in this spot please. Thank for the great job.
It's a play I will make with my range when I used this sizing. I'm hoping to identify boards where my range is at a reasonable advantage and I have a large number of combos that prefer betting for protection/value over checking. Larger sizes won't let me bet such a high freqeuncy.
Well played - pwnage. Did you consider you were 4-bet bluffing enough pre flop to cover your wide opening range?
I almost always play a fixed range for things like this that I've defined ahead of time, so I'm confident that I'm 4betting enough bluffs.
Great video, learning a ton as a PLO player. Question: what exactly is the reasoning to cbet 1/3 on 753r in a 3bet pot ?
great video.
what do you bluff at 9min with 75 on river 6436A? what is the bottom of ur range to c/c turn there that u now turn into bluff?
at 31min, with ur 97s i agree club flushes that missed are bad bluffs cuz block ur folding range of club flushes. So what other hands 3b and then double barrel? theres probably some T7o on 96634 but T8 87 i dont expect to 3b a bunch. Would he bet turn with just naked overs like KQo? Your right, his value range is super wide and it is tough to think what bluffs shud be used on turn and river (i assume he cbet near range on flop for 33 into 71). If he 3bets hands like 42o or 54o, he made pair on river so those arent even bluffing now.
at 33min with 96 on JJ78, you use a small flop and small turn sizing as a general strat on these boards for protection/value? Seems you favor that strat rather than polarizing on turn (which makes sense as if u have Jx, ur removal effects make him overfold a bunch and dont get u proper value from 7x/8x that are drawing dead)
I believe the first question is addressed in the comments above. I'm glad you can help me justify a big fold at 31 minutes :)
33min: Yes, I use a lot of small/medium betting on these paired boards where it's quite easy for villain to build wide x/r ranges and have a wide value range (mid-high paired boards). I also expect it to generate overfolding which is nice.
You're probably my favorite coach on ROI. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even play much holdem anymore.
shocked about the 79 river fold
Hello barewire. I watched this without sound and noted any spots I would've played differently. It ended up being waaay too long for a comment so I'll just post a few of them here:
2:30 - A2o - I fold vs. 3b and I don't think it's close. I'd much rather call the 53s you fold at 25:00.
8:30 - 75o - never in my 3b range and I'm curious why you're polar here (96o later also).
6:00 - AQo - Are you c-betting 1/3 with your range as an exploit? I think the sizing is whatever; I probably slightly prefer a bigger bet but I doubt it matters much and the smaller bet might just be better exploitatively vs the population. Most of the time I'm c-betting 1/3 pot it's with 100% of my range but J87ss is probably a bottom 10-15% flop range vs range here, so I'm not going to be betting anywhere near my whole range regardless of sizing. I think I'd just c/f my AQ combos without bdfd.
24:45 - 77 - I like a 3b vs this villain (instead of 75o!). As played I'd call river because he seems to be following through with his missed draws too often and the river misses them all while also obviously reducing his Kx combos.
27:10 - A5o - I'm calling turn vs an unknown but it seems like a clear call vs this player who I expect to barrell all of his straight draws and not bet thinly enough for value. I'd always call A2 vs him also.
2:30 - Past data of mine seems to show those types of hands are quite close/similar, but my intuition tells me that A2o-A5o perform better against aggressive opponents by being able to realize more equity at 100bb than 53s type hands will. Do you agree with that?
8:30 - I wouldn't call this range totally polar, but it's a pretty strong range with some bluffs like this that come in handy postflop sometimes.
6 - I agree with most of your points and this particular board texture might not fit the rule of thumb I often use to identify boards where I can make a 1/3 bet with my range. Complicated strategies are something I do like to avoid, if you can't tell :)
24:45 - Yeah this is a strange fold at second look for me, I don't think I block much of the hands he would bluff for a delayed 2 barrel, at least not more than any other hand, so I should probably just be calling the best x% of hand strengths against someone aggro who is willing to follow through.
27 - Agreed again, this is a pretty standard call especially for reduced sizing unless I had some kind of read on the reduced size being specific to him turning Tx...
2:30 - Interesting. I don't have enough data of my own because I hardly ever flat weaker Axo hands vs. 3-bets. I actually though 53s would realize its equity better than A2o - I guess you're saying the SPR is too small in a 3b pot at 100bb for this to be true? At what point do you think it flip-flops?
8:30 - makes sense if it's for board coverage and we don't think our SCs/1-2 gappers are enough, but why not choose slightly stronger hands like 98o-65o? Or are you choosing 96o/75o because they're similar but you're not able to profitably flat them? Would your hand selection change vs a 2x open or a 3x open?
Thanks for the reply. I'm glad we generally agreed on the postflop stuff as that's where I've been focusing most of my attention. Looks like I need to brush up on some preflop work tho =p
Sorry for the delay in responding, I'm just finishing a fairly long road trip with some spotty internet. Will be getting to all my comments tonight!
hey kevin , so i see u three 96off, that seems super polorised to me, and abit too trashy, surley your 3bet % is going to be really high if u add hands like this, i usually add more suited combos of hands like this to 3 bet can you explain why your strategy is more optimal?cheers
I do control the frequency of hands like this, and I mentioned in an above comment that I find these combos useful in many postflop situations where a stronger range might struggle to find balance.
at min 33, you are talking about your game plan which was originally stabing and then bluff-catching floats? Against what opponent's tendencies we should have this game plan?
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