2 Table $1/$2 6-Max Zoom PLO Live Session
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Thanks for the video Phil. Just a comment...I found 2 tables + replayer quite distracting. Can you perhaps try one table + replayer on the side video next time? Thanks again for the content.
I agree,
I don't think the problem is that you play 2 tables of zoom I think the problem is that when you drag in the replayer over the tables it is very hard to follow the action. My suggestion is that you capture enough space with camtasia to always have the replayer visible.
I also think you have to slow down a bit with the folds pre and some of the postflop decision. In this speed I do not have the time to think thru what I would have done.
Otherwise great video
Yeah the replayer being moved around over the screen is very distracting.
Agreed
Sorry, guys. I'll try not to make this mistake again.
Good point about the folding speed, Albin.
Great vid Phil, at 44:50 right table a898 hand, why didn't u value bet the turn?
Thanks for the vid
I think it's a close spot. I'd call a turn bet somewhere between value and protection, but on a board like this protection is a big concern.
I decided not to bet because I blocked an Ace, which blocks the main x/c hands I do well against (aces up). I think I'd heavily prefer a bet without the Ace in my hand. With it I could go either way.
Always glad to see a new PG essential video pop up in my notifications. Thanks for the video Phil!
Couple of quick questions:
To balance out the potential bluffraise on the T42r flop at 40:00, what does our range look like? Are we raising QQxx+,356x and some overs with BDFDs? Do our sets belong in our raising range, or should they always be a call?
Also could an argument be made for 3betting the KQ65ds hand at 44:00, as opposed to calling if you do decide to play it? I feel like isolating with the initiative could set up quite a nice postflop situation.
Great video! Hope the SCOOP grind is going well.
I think a lot of our strategy will depend on our opponent's strategy. If someone is betting over 2/3 of the time here, we should be attacking pretty relentlessly (including floats).
It's hard to select our best bluffs in this case because many of our best bluffs also make good floats. I wouldn't raise QQxx, but I'd want to raise a lot of bare gutshots, some wraps, most of my 44 and 22 but not my TT (blocking Txxx is bad), some of my 2pr but not all.
I think that trying to cram more straight draws into our raising range (esp this deep) is a good idea (exploitatively), because when we float we are counting on a lot of FE on the straightening turns.
If the opponent is pretty bad or way too loose pre, sure. In most cases, though, we are OOP and behind his opening range in equity and playability, so there's not much reason to get involved without nice pot odds closing the action (ez call from the BB).
Hey Phil, got some thoughts on 3betting double pairs in BNvsCO scenarios. I started learning PLO using PJ ranges and PJ $3B10I range includes ALL double pairs that have a single suit and all double pairs that have two suits. While 9922:xxyz cant call a 4bet, but if we get it alittle connected like 9955:xxyz its actually a profitable peel and stack off against a 4bet using PJ vs strictly only AA or a $4B4 range and any two suited pairs are profitable calling a 4bet 100bb deep. It does assume we play perfectly on the flop, but in SSPLO, its like close to always AA or AKK against a reasonable player and its easy to play against that range.
Either way I am quite indifferent to which strategy is better, but if we do remove those hands than we need to replace some other hands to get a 10% 3betting range from somewhere else. And I feel raising double pairs that have combinations of mid+low pairs promotes the non-nutty part of the hand by trying to get it heads up rather than encouraging multi way action.
A big part of this comes down to how our opponent 4-bets. My personal opinion is that these hands have too much value in SRP and squeezed pots (when we are the caller) to put into an IP 3-bet range.
I'm not familiar with how PJ builts the 10% 3-bet range, but I'd much rather include weaker rundowns and weaker DS hands than double pairs here.
3:30 the hand where we coldcall AQT5ds against a min3bet, then peel the 4bet and fold on A75: as someone who plays stakes like these more often, I find that the min3bet is very rarely a really strong hand, more often a rundown or complete nonsense. For that reason I'd be pretty tempted to 4bet myself to get heads up against what's likely a weak range. Likewise, I think the guy who did 4bet won't be as AA-heavy as you might think, because you're both going to look really weak to him.
Very useful info, ty. I misinterpreted that range which led to me misinterpreting the 4-bettors range.
Hi,
I have a question about the hand around 11:00:
We open KQTT on B and BB calls, 2 players see the flop
Flop: Kh Qh 7c (10.5 usd on flop)
We bet 7.5 and villain raises to 26.5 (68 left in stack)
Here you say that you consider a call against a tough opponent. I do actually like a caller against a weaker player more since I think he will play the flush / straight card more face up that a tougher player and also has less bluffs in his range to start with.
Is there another reason apart from balancing our range that you like calling more that raising vs tough player?
I think I always call here unless read the villain is a complete maniac / tilting.
I think call and shove are probably pretty close, but suspecting the guy is a weaker player doesn't necessarily push me towards a shove. There seems to be an idea that fish just go broke with random hands all the time. That type of player does exist but in my experience they're pretty rare and usually make themselves known quickly. More commonly a fish is going to be too tight/straightforward with their check-raise range.
This comes down to how often a weaker player will x/r a hand like weaker 2-pair or KJTx or similar. I think you guys have a better idea than I do about how prevalent a tendency like that is in these games. I do assume that for this sizing on this board, very few people are bluffing (strong or weak), so it's more a question of how often we save money or lose money on some scary turn cards.
Amazing observation DirtyD and very well written. I now have a post it note on my monitor saying:
"There seems to be an idea that fish just go broke with random hands all the time. That type of player exist but they're pretty rare and usually make themselves known quickly"
Phil would you say that $1 $2 zoom PLO is the lowest stakes that are realistically beatable these days ? It seems to be the general consensus that 50 $1 and especially 25 50 are not longer beatable with the Stars rake ?
I'm not qualified to answer, but I'm very curious to learn more about it. Do you have any links to opinions or mathematical breakdowns?
This
Question: @16:30 on the right table, you comment his flop raise being credible because he can often be flatting here with kings. Why would he be raising this flop, against your UTG raising range that presumably has very poor equity against his value hands on this board since you wont have many low rundowns, especially with a fish in the blinds who he wants to keep in. Would you be raising in his spot with KK?
Also comment: I feel 2 tables + replayer or more tables is fine. I think all of these videos are worth pausing and note taking frequently, and if you are doing that the more tables the better imo. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents on this issue since a lot of people have been vocal about the other side.
Hello Mr Galfond,
hello RIO
due all the recent bot/colluder talk (2p2 PLO highstakes thread). Is the hand which played on this video (starts at 19:00 mins, right table) maybe an example of colluding?
Maybe he knew the Ad folded preflop (maybe even Ad and Kd)?
kind regards
19:48 i think this could have been a brutal value bet. You would bet the Ad and Kd on the turn most of the time so he knows on the river that he has the best hand therefore he can valuebet. I imagine this hand being televised, the people would go nuts^^
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