Really good vidoe and good useful explanations on how to shortcut on get a visual of comparing the EV of the 4b vs. 4betting with the KKQ9 hand, would really like to see more of that stuff in the future.
The method I find easiest is to look at how much is in front of the most recent action (the bet or raise or call right before you), multiply that by 3, then add everything else in the pot to that number.
So $50 in the main pot, a $25 bet and a $25 call:
$25 call * 3 = 75
+ $25 raise and $50 main pot = $150
In the KKQ9 hand beginning at 8:30, I do not recall you mentioning the possibility of 4-betting small to allow Stan.TheM4N to reopen the betting with a likely 5-bet shove. Does this option have any merit? It would all but guarantee that we get our stack in pre-flop with Zwyyy if he calls the 5-bet, but I would obv be worried that he might fold to the 5-bet realizing that we are almost certainly shoving when it comes back around.
I am assuming that you feel like simply 4-betting pot is better since it is more likely to keep us 3-handed instead of heads up vs. Stan's likely aces. Could 4-betting small be the best play if Zwyyy was a rec player who would never fold to Stan's 5-bet?
Interesting. My fear in this situation is that the times we have great 3 way equity too (when Stan doesn't have AA), Stan will be less likely to try to get the pot HU and may just flat.
The more we can get in for the sidepot when 4betting, the better, so it just comes down to figuring out the best way to do that, which will depend completely on the players.
We'd have to run more math on how +EV getting AI with both players is, but I feel strongly that calling pre could even top that EV.
I would like to ask about yours RFI BTN sizing = 2,13 bb. Do you open like this versus week players with are not defending enough BB or SB and it is something special about 2,13 bb vs let say 2,5 bb? How it is connected with your RFI range?
Also, are you afraid an adaptation from regs? Their blind defend stats may be weak but versus yours particular sizing they may defend more.
My last question is about your sizing vs good players from the BTN. When your RFI BTN decrease to let say 50% which sizing you prefer? Your range is stronger so maybe even 3,5 bb?
I use my 2.13bb sizing when I'm opening against players who I assume are under-defending and/or weak postflop players in the BB. In both of these cases, I want to open significantly more hands.
I don't do this often against regs these days, as many never fold to that sizing. Against good players, my standard is full pot for the reason you mentioned - they aren't folding much and I have a stronger range. Sometimes I open to 3x, but it's mostly to see how people react or out of laziness if I have my tableninja set that way.
@ 44:00 w/ AKQJ on K93-6-6, I like the small value/blocking bet with a hand like this, and this sizing also works as a bluff with our busted draws with no showdown value, which want to bluff but probably can't afford to bluff big because of blocker effects. But what if we have a stronger value hand like KK or 6x? Should we have a bigger sizing as well, or just bet small with our whole betting range?
We'll definitely want to bluff with most of our unpaired hands. I think that we usually will want to bluff on the smaller side with them, and occasionally use a big betsize.
if we go for value with our smaller size then we should bluff with a smaller size as well. But if we go bigger for value I would think we should go bigger with our bluffing size as well so we aren't exploiting our bet sizing. That small size does seem very strong like trying to get a thin value. So bluffing should work well doing it. I always hit the half pot button never thinking ab out going 1/3rd for value cause i could also use it as a bluff and save money when i am called and get more calls when i go for thin value. I wonder if 1/3rd for value and bluffs produces more profit over going 1/2 over a big sample size. Its kind of interesting spot cause if he doesn't have K and just diamonds with a pair hes always folding the river.
Hey Phil. Excellent video as always. Please keep making PLO videos for essential as they are hugely educational and there aren't as many essential ones as there are for NL.
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Really good vidoe and good useful explanations on how to shortcut on get a visual of comparing the EV of the 4b vs. 4betting with the KKQ9 hand, would really like to see more of that stuff in the future.
Thx. in adv
Thank you! I'll definitely keep it in mind for future videos.
Hi Phil,
how do you calculate pot raises? And the calculations you made at the very start of the video? I'm still quite confused w/ this concept.
The method I find easiest is to look at how much is in front of the most recent action (the bet or raise or call right before you), multiply that by 3, then add everything else in the pot to that number.
So $50 in the main pot, a $25 bet and a $25 call:
$25 call * 3 = 75
+ $25 raise and $50 main pot = $150
Ah, alright sounds so much better. Thanks a lot!
Hi Phil
It seems to me that in your formula the number to multiply by is the number of players in the pot and not necessary 3 am I right?
Hello Phil,
In the KKQ9 hand beginning at 8:30, I do not recall you mentioning the possibility of 4-betting small to allow Stan.TheM4N to reopen the betting with a likely 5-bet shove. Does this option have any merit? It would all but guarantee that we get our stack in pre-flop with Zwyyy if he calls the 5-bet, but I would obv be worried that he might fold to the 5-bet realizing that we are almost certainly shoving when it comes back around.
I am assuming that you feel like simply 4-betting pot is better since it is more likely to keep us 3-handed instead of heads up vs. Stan's likely aces. Could 4-betting small be the best play if Zwyyy was a rec player who would never fold to Stan's 5-bet?
Interesting. My fear in this situation is that the times we have great 3 way equity too (when Stan doesn't have AA), Stan will be less likely to try to get the pot HU and may just flat.
The more we can get in for the sidepot when 4betting, the better, so it just comes down to figuring out the best way to do that, which will depend completely on the players.
We'd have to run more math on how +EV getting AI with both players is, but I feel strongly that calling pre could even top that EV.
I would like to ask about yours RFI BTN sizing = 2,13 bb. Do you open like this versus week players with are not defending enough BB or SB and it is something special about 2,13 bb vs let say 2,5 bb? How it is connected with your RFI range?
Also, are you afraid an adaptation from regs? Their blind defend stats may be weak but versus yours particular sizing they may defend more.
My last question is about your sizing vs good players from the BTN. When your RFI BTN decrease to let say 50% which sizing you prefer? Your range is stronger so maybe even 3,5 bb?
I use my 2.13bb sizing when I'm opening against players who I assume are under-defending and/or weak postflop players in the BB. In both of these cases, I want to open significantly more hands.
I don't do this often against regs these days, as many never fold to that sizing. Against good players, my standard is full pot for the reason you mentioned - they aren't folding much and I have a stronger range. Sometimes I open to 3x, but it's mostly to see how people react or out of laziness if I have my tableninja set that way.
@ 44:00 w/ AKQJ on K93-6-6, I like the small value/blocking bet with a hand like this, and this sizing also works as a bluff with our busted draws with no showdown value, which want to bluff but probably can't afford to bluff big because of blocker effects. But what if we have a stronger value hand like KK or 6x? Should we have a bigger sizing as well, or just bet small with our whole betting range?
I think it's probably best to have two sizings here. We'l just want a sprinkling of monsters in the small bet range.
41;00 AKQJ. Should we have to bluff small size on k9366 board say if our hand doesnt contain a K. For example, if our hand is AQJ10 with hearts.
We'll definitely want to bluff with most of our unpaired hands. I think that we usually will want to bluff on the smaller side with them, and occasionally use a big betsize.
if we go for value with our smaller size then we should bluff with a smaller size as well. But if we go bigger for value I would think we should go bigger with our bluffing size as well so we aren't exploiting our bet sizing. That small size does seem very strong like trying to get a thin value. So bluffing should work well doing it. I always hit the half pot button never thinking ab out going 1/3rd for value cause i could also use it as a bluff and save money when i am called and get more calls when i go for thin value. I wonder if 1/3rd for value and bluffs produces more profit over going 1/2 over a big sample size. Its kind of interesting spot cause if he doesn't have K and just diamonds with a pair hes always folding the river.
Hey Phil. Excellent video as always. Please keep making PLO videos for essential as they are hugely educational and there aren't as many essential ones as there are for NL.
Thank you! Will do!
Great to see you on the essential list. Thank you!
Any reason for not using a hud?
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