Great Series, looking forward to seeing some plo and hoping it includes some bovada action

Really enjoying the 08 material.....glad to see some assumptions I have made just through playing lots of hands such as trying to play only nutty high only hands and the value of Ace seeking hands (interesting comparison to set mining) are valid. Got a lot out of the way you can figure out opponents holdings through the betting lines and the way the board develops......great stuff, thank you. I expect to be finding more bluffing opportunities now

Glad to hear you guys enjoyed it. 

The next video released will be one with specific advice geared towards Live poker and some review of HH that you would only experience live.

After that I have a multi-part vid of online NLHE w real time commentary. 

I have another PLO8 gameplay review series made as well. 

I will likely put together some PLO work of some kind after that. 

Min 28 8322:

What do you think about checking back the flop? I think it hurts our hand a lot if we are gonna get raised here (propably won't happen too often but the times it does it's no fun), we also had a lot of deception for the times we hit the wheel or the upper straight, we also don't have to fold any turns and keep some of his weaker draws in his continuing range that might give us some action on later streets assuming we would cbet all or most better lowdraws OTF (e.g. 752 hands).

yay mixed game stuff

Really appreciate the plo8 material. Not much else to be found out there so it is of great value, especially as this game appears to be gaining popularity.

Thanks. It's a fun game. About to start the WSOP 3k plo8. 

Got to put some faces to names in the lounge.  And in day3 of plo8. Was good day.

GL Zach

Take it down!

Almost got the bracelet.  Took 2nd. But I was 0/9 lifetime at WSOP,  so I'm happy and had a  blast. 

Great video!  Please make more plo8 videos . 

Really like the video. Would definitely like to see more PLO8 strategy from you. I'd be very excited to see you go over your near-win at the WSOP PLO8 event and I think others would be as well. Cheers.

first hand: that turn call is tough. I think the only merit for calling, really, is the fact we have four outs to boat up, in which, we will scoop the pot frequently. aside of that, I think we are playing for half pot at best. villain potting it three way indicates quite a bit of strength IMO. he is also closing the action pre, in which case, his range probably contains more jacks than ours or the utg raiser. the river brought a very innocent off suit nine and we folded getting 5 to 1 granting even more validity to a turn fold IMO. I know this video is a year old but if you see this Zachary, please replay the first hand, gather some thoughts, and please chime in whether you still like a turn call. ya, even our low draw isn't great, we lose to 42 and 52 if river makes a qualifying low. versus villains range this call has to be negative expectation I think. best case scenario is we are up against a flush draw, and again, on a very innocent river, you folded getting a very good price, which IMO, goes to show we probably shouldn't have saw a river here.

Thank you Zach this was awesome. Love watching you own people on Live at the Bike as well. Why do people let you peek at one card so often????

At 10:30
You mention we need to be careful of our VPIP creeping up calling marginal high hands. What are you basing this off of? Yes we would have a high VPIP, but shouldn't we be defending a lot from the BB for a single raise getting a good price? I'm not sure how similar it will be to PLO since the split pot nature of the game really reduces the equities of high hands, but I think high hands would be better to play out of the BB than marginal/weak two way hands since high hands have polarized flop distributions and can be played very well vs what is likely to be two way hands. Yes they may have the nut flush draw more often, but it's harder to hit high flops when you have 2 low cards in your hand vs 4 connected high card hands.
So I would defend KTJd7d in the BB HU for sure, but when it goes multi-way I imagine it becomes a lot more marginal and could be an easy fold. Would be curious to see if we're making more than folding the BB, defending HU and multiway.

I disagree with the river fold. Folding for that sizing after everything misses and we don't block any of his bluffs, you are over folding. I don't think he wants to be betting trips for that sizing either, so while it may look like an obviously value bet, he must not have much value, or he doesn't want to fire big with a bluff. If you think that he could be betting weak trips or AK here, then I don't even mind turning our hand into a bluff, as I don't think this sizing includes very many boats.

Chris,
The fold is exploitive but IME this line combination with sizing is so rarely a bluff. In PLO8 the AJJ flop is bet so often with bluffs. These are also the only flops which people slow play hoping for a LD to appear on turn. Compound it with the sizing which is probably under bluffed and I made a read to over fold river.

At 10:30
You mention we need to be careful of our VPIP creeping up calling marginal high hands. What are you basing this off of? Yes we would have a high VPIP, but shouldn't we be defending a lot from the BB for a single raise getting a good price? I'm not sure how similar it will be to PLO since the split pot nature of the game really reduces the equities of high hands, but I think high hands would be better to play out of the BB than marginal/weak two way hands since high hands have polarized flop distributions and can be played very well vs what is likely to be two way hands. Yes they may have the nut flush draw more often, but it's harder to hit high flops when you have 2 low cards in your hand vs 4 connected high card hands.
So I would defend KTJd7d in the BB HU for sure, but when it goes multi-way I imagine it becomes a lot more marginal and could be an easy fold. Would be curious to see if we're making more than folding the BB, defending HU and multiway.

My wording wasn't great there. When I said if you defend too many marginal high hands you have to be careful your vpip rises too much, I didn't mean to imply that there is some magic number that is too high. Certainly we should defend any hand we can turn a profit defending. What I more meant is that if you start loosening the quality requirements of your high hands it's easy to start making the error of defending some losers given even the high-quality ones only turn a small profit.
I will say that I struggle with PF defense strategies in this game and LO8. It's so tough, because equity wise especially HU almost everything is a defend but realization in O8 of non nut hands is very low. It is so hard to get to SD well. I do agree that having hands that flop polarized (nutty) draws and made hands even if equity dogs are good defense candidates to combat the difficulty of playability in O8. I can't say with confidence that KJT7 is a defend or not, I'd lean towards saying not. PF O8 is tough.

Great video, love this content

Great video, thanks