You've mentioned that you're using a bigger preflop 3betting size (at least in this series) because it has shown to be a better sizing. I'm wondering what specifically is leading you to use this 5x sizing vs a 2.5x open - is it in response to people defending very widely vs 3bets? To force a narrower defending range/have more fold equity preflop? Thanks, great series!
When I say that, I'm not necessarily meaning for an exploitative reason. It's just that Piosolver simulations suggest large 3bet sizing performs better in general.
@18:00 you decide to not bet 99 for small sizing OTF on this very dry texture and later at 36:00 you explain that you are going to be betting all the pairs of your range on a very similar situation.
Can you explain if it's any difference for you between the 2 textures or what is the randomizer that you're using to decide when to bet and when to check on this spots?
I think that these two textures are not actually very similar, betting all of your pairs on the A32 flop, makes a bunch more sense as continuing is more difficult for the SB there and a wider % of Hero's pocker pairs will be justified valuebets which warrant protection. Betting 99 into one over-card on the A32 flop is quite a lot different to betting 99 on the AJ3 as it doesn't get any real value here or much protection.
I think its not a matter of randomizing here, but more about the specific hand qualities on those specific textures; betting all pairs on AJ3 flop doesn't accomplish as much as betting all pairs on the A32.
Yeah, I agree with Roots comment on the difference between this board textures. Specifically if you think about the dense region of offsuit hands that will call big 3bets preflop (KQJT), our weaker pairs will have far more equity to protect on A23 than they do on AJ3.
Hi nice video! On the hand you have 55hx 2:29, you say that you will sometimes overbet lead and sometimes check/raise. What would be the determining factors between choosing either of these options? And also what type of hands would you be looking to include in either range? Thanks
Hey Andy, good question. My preferred starting point is to establish what hands make the most sense to check, because we can't simply assume we're going to face a bet here. Once we've done that, we can evaluate which 'checking hands' have the right blockers and roughly the right hand strength in order to make them a possible check/raise.
That mostly applies to bluffing, but with value hands, I often focus more on how badly our hand needs protection. If we're effectively nutted and also need protection, we want to charge him to see the river by overbet leading. If we have the nut flush and therefore need less protection, we might prefer to check/raise. Also worth considering what we block - nut flushes remove top pair combos, which make up a big part of villain's calling range vs overbet/overbet. That might also sway me towards check/raising to get more bluffs to put money in.
fouund this hilarious, loved how in depth the analysis is. first time watching one of your videos but i'm now a fan for life. thanks for the video Kevin
23:26 can u pls explain why do you have a big sizing with Q9 on J43r? Later on u talk about big gap between high card and low card on A32r and that small bets are very good because it is hard to defend against. What is the difference between those two. On A32 it is a 3b pot but i am not sure is that the main reason?
I do think small bets would work well on J43r, for the same reason they work well on A32 as you suggested. That said, I think large bets can also work well on J43r because it's so difficult for BB to make strong hands if he's folding J4o/J3o/34o pre (assumption is yes). I guess I'm kinda saying it's personal preference, because I don't think there's a big EV gap between the strategies on that type of texture.
In games you play usually your opponents are very good players and they don't over fold turns but in weakers games wouldn't it be better that we cbet small on these dry flops and then barrell a lot on turns because willans will defend flop very wide and wont be able to defend enough turns? That way or ev of bet small flop becomes better than big bet on flop because of the assumption thet they will call a lot of flops and then fold on a lot of turns.
great vid.
at 37-38min about AQ on a32r u say the small cbet is gr8 cuz either overfold or get to turn too weak. but its not a 100% cbet at small size? what % do u think does this cuz maybe i think too simplistically but if i go small i go wide and if i go bigger i go more polar. We cbet a protection/value type range and chk some air , some traps and Ax KK/QQ?
Yeah your last sentence captures the structure I'd be after. We have too much air and a few too many hands that don't care about betting small vs checking. If we start by checking those Ax-QQ, some K-Q high, some AA, we can build a balanced betting range and try to level out the air so that our check range isn't too weak.
I've watched so many of your excellent vids wo commenting but wanted to thank you for the so detailed analysis of each action, bet & sizing according to your thoughts about range vs range and what you are trying to accomplish with each action. I feel as if I've become a better player just by watching and absorbed so much that can even help me at the micros where I'm playing against seriously unbalanced strat. Know I should be doing my own work in solvers but feel as if the time I have is well spent learning from your vids
Hi kevin,
At 16:38, you said that you will be checking the river with qj, but given the no of ax that you will be interested in value betting, from a2 to a10( around 95 combos , assuming you check raise a10, a8 on the flop). And every 8x from 68 to k8( around 42 combos) . Just bluffing j9, 67 and 79 (48 combos) would not be enough. Unless you size really small on the river, which I don't think is the case given your value betting range . Also, will you have 2 sizes on the river, for 8x and Ax? If so, how will you use your blockers for bluffing for the two sizings, can't think of anything useful.
Yeah I wouldn't be betting a single size with all Ax and 8x, I think that's really inefficient here. There's hardly any money in the pot considering the strength of 8x, but Ax cannot bet large at all since it gets counterfeit and villain can hold 8x. Also worth noting you're forgetting Q9/J7/96 combos as bluffs and some weak bdfds if they haven't x/r flop. If QJ does bluff river it's probably a mixed strategy overbet but I think there are probably too many bluffs to get through first (and we have some showdown value).
Hi Kevin,
At 29:40, why did you say that you would use 5d while bluffing river? With 5d you don't necessarily block his flushes, right?
Or are you assuming that villain always checkraises his flushes. So it's important to be block his best straight bluff catchers which would contain a 5d?
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You've mentioned that you're using a bigger preflop 3betting size (at least in this series) because it has shown to be a better sizing. I'm wondering what specifically is leading you to use this 5x sizing vs a 2.5x open - is it in response to people defending very widely vs 3bets? To force a narrower defending range/have more fold equity preflop? Thanks, great series!
When I say that, I'm not necessarily meaning for an exploitative reason. It's just that Piosolver simulations suggest large 3bet sizing performs better in general.
Hey Kevin great video as always.
@18:00 you decide to not bet 99 for small sizing OTF on this very dry texture and later at 36:00 you explain that you are going to be betting all the pairs of your range on a very similar situation.
Can you explain if it's any difference for you between the 2 textures or what is the randomizer that you're using to decide when to bet and when to check on this spots?
Thank you!
I think that these two textures are not actually very similar, betting all of your pairs on the A32 flop, makes a bunch more sense as continuing is more difficult for the SB there and a wider % of Hero's pocker pairs will be justified valuebets which warrant protection. Betting 99 into one over-card on the A32 flop is quite a lot different to betting 99 on the AJ3 as it doesn't get any real value here or much protection.
I think its not a matter of randomizing here, but more about the specific hand qualities on those specific textures; betting all pairs on AJ3 flop doesn't accomplish as much as betting all pairs on the A32.
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Yeah, I agree with Roots comment on the difference between this board textures. Specifically if you think about the dense region of offsuit hands that will call big 3bets preflop (KQJT), our weaker pairs will have far more equity to protect on A23 than they do on AJ3.
Great video thanks Kevin!
Hi nice video! On the hand you have 55hx 2:29, you say that you will sometimes overbet lead and sometimes check/raise. What would be the determining factors between choosing either of these options? And also what type of hands would you be looking to include in either range? Thanks
Hey Andy, good question. My preferred starting point is to establish what hands make the most sense to check, because we can't simply assume we're going to face a bet here. Once we've done that, we can evaluate which 'checking hands' have the right blockers and roughly the right hand strength in order to make them a possible check/raise.
That mostly applies to bluffing, but with value hands, I often focus more on how badly our hand needs protection. If we're effectively nutted and also need protection, we want to charge him to see the river by overbet leading. If we have the nut flush and therefore need less protection, we might prefer to check/raise. Also worth considering what we block - nut flushes remove top pair combos, which make up a big part of villain's calling range vs overbet/overbet. That might also sway me towards check/raising to get more bluffs to put money in.
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fouund this hilarious, loved how in depth the analysis is. first time watching one of your videos but i'm now a fan for life. thanks for the video Kevin
Hey Kev,
Great video
23:26 can u pls explain why do you have a big sizing with Q9 on J43r? Later on u talk about big gap between high card and low card on A32r and that small bets are very good because it is hard to defend against. What is the difference between those two. On A32 it is a 3b pot but i am not sure is that the main reason?
THX
I do think small bets would work well on J43r, for the same reason they work well on A32 as you suggested. That said, I think large bets can also work well on J43r because it's so difficult for BB to make strong hands if he's folding J4o/J3o/34o pre (assumption is yes). I guess I'm kinda saying it's personal preference, because I don't think there's a big EV gap between the strategies on that type of texture.
i will ask one more question :D
Hope its not a stupid one.
In games you play usually your opponents are very good players and they don't over fold turns but in weakers games wouldn't it be better that we cbet small on these dry flops and then barrell a lot on turns because willans will defend flop very wide and wont be able to defend enough turns? That way or ev of bet small flop becomes better than big bet on flop because of the assumption thet they will call a lot of flops and then fold on a lot of turns.
That's a totally valid strategy if you have the read on your opponent, certainly not stupid.
great vid.
at 37-38min about AQ on a32r u say the small cbet is gr8 cuz either overfold or get to turn too weak. but its not a 100% cbet at small size? what % do u think does this cuz maybe i think too simplistically but if i go small i go wide and if i go bigger i go more polar. We cbet a protection/value type range and chk some air , some traps and Ax KK/QQ?
Yeah your last sentence captures the structure I'd be after. We have too much air and a few too many hands that don't care about betting small vs checking. If we start by checking those Ax-QQ, some K-Q high, some AA, we can build a balanced betting range and try to level out the air so that our check range isn't too weak.
I've watched so many of your excellent vids wo commenting but wanted to thank you for the so detailed analysis of each action, bet & sizing according to your thoughts about range vs range and what you are trying to accomplish with each action. I feel as if I've become a better player just by watching and absorbed so much that can even help me at the micros where I'm playing against seriously unbalanced strat. Know I should be doing my own work in solvers but feel as if the time I have is well spent learning from your vids
Hi kevin,
At 16:38, you said that you will be checking the river with qj, but given the no of ax that you will be interested in value betting, from a2 to a10( around 95 combos , assuming you check raise a10, a8 on the flop). And every 8x from 68 to k8( around 42 combos) . Just bluffing j9, 67 and 79 (48 combos) would not be enough. Unless you size really small on the river, which I don't think is the case given your value betting range . Also, will you have 2 sizes on the river, for 8x and Ax? If so, how will you use your blockers for bluffing for the two sizings, can't think of anything useful.
Yeah I wouldn't be betting a single size with all Ax and 8x, I think that's really inefficient here. There's hardly any money in the pot considering the strength of 8x, but Ax cannot bet large at all since it gets counterfeit and villain can hold 8x. Also worth noting you're forgetting Q9/J7/96 combos as bluffs and some weak bdfds if they haven't x/r flop. If QJ does bluff river it's probably a mixed strategy overbet but I think there are probably too many bluffs to get through first (and we have some showdown value).
Hi Kevin,
At 29:40, why did you say that you would use 5d while bluffing river? With 5d you don't necessarily block his flushes, right?
Or are you assuming that villain always checkraises his flushes. So it's important to be block his best straight bluff catchers which would contain a 5d?
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