Last minute I'm thinking how to find those A6-A8 raises on the river. Well for sure I can't know that villain is somewhat capped for 1/2 size, he might be just using small size with way too many strong hands(unbalanced strategy). If he does it will be bigger mistake to raise it(A6-A8) than call, right?
Hey Ben. At 6:00 you turn 2 pair in multiway pot, and choose half pot size, saying you could even bet smaller. You say "the idea here is basically to..." but never finish the sentence. I was hoping you could finish the sentence here.
Why is betting bigger not a thing here? My thinking is everyone has checked and is capped, our betting range is going to be polar, thus a big bet makes all the sense. Why is that wrong?
"My thinking is everyone has checked and is capped," I don't think this is a good approximation of GTO, but might be a reasonable assumption in some games.
You're correct that if you suspect your opponents are capped you should increase your betsizing.
OK but you said during that hand "I don't think people are checking back alot of strong hands multiway". And then proceed to bet just halfpot while saying you could also bet smaller. Are you just not putting that much weight into your meta game read, or is betting small multiway just the thing to do?
What sizing would you use if you knew your opponents never slowplayed sets here?
The latter, I don't put very much weight into meta game reads, particularly at 2/5 where I only play a small number of hands.
If you know your opponents never slowplay sets I think it's pretty reasonable to carve out a B150 ish sizing, no combos of 74s/97s, and if we have an 8 in our hand only 1 combo of turned 888, so 85 becomes the effective nuts.
How do you approach studying multiway pots? Do you believe Monkersolver multiway outputs are solid? What other study tools would you recommend if someone was willing to try anything?
Thanks for the video. You mention duplicating parts of your opponents range with the 7d at 15:28. I understand what you mean, but I’m not quite getting the application of that idea here. Can you elaborate at all? Is it another way of framing removal?
If I have the 7d in my hand and the flop is AdKcKd, he can't have a few of the weaker combos in his range like 7d6d, 8d7d, 7d7x. If I had a hand like 5s5h he could have all of these combos and would fold more frequently.
QQ bluff dont you think that people is overfolding in the turn so that villain range in river is very strong (not so much fe) I think villains range river is going to be AJ+ and AJ is only suited, cannot see villain folding AK+, so i dont think the bluff is very profitable in spite of the blockers
hello. About QQ hand. I was pretty surprised when in your sim checking flop almost not allowed for OOP. Not so long time ago Daniel Dvoress made a simular sim (board AK6r but with lower SPR): https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/3bet-pots-part-2/ (brief results at 10:00) and in his sims OOP checking 80%. I understand that board a bit different, SPR lower, but still surprised that it changes checking OOP from 80% to <1%.
mako27: While I generally love Daniel Dvoress' videos and found also this one very helpful, his assumptions about preflop play in that sim were quite sketchy. He assumed that co would flat all of AA, all of KK, all of AKs and even 25% of AKo vs the bb 3bet, which, at 50bb deep seems way off, esp that AK portion (compared to what the population does in mtts). What he did was really almost not allow co to 4bet, which then resulted in his range being almost as strong as the 3bettors
Another factor is that the 3betting range Daniel gave, which he apparantly took from pio preflop, at 50 bb is a lot more polarized then the onne Ben is using for deeper stacked play, so Daniels range has a fair number of non BW/nonpair/ nonA/nonK hands that completely whiff, and those hands are almost absent from the callers range, (other then some SCs)
How much mistake (or ev lose) do you think would be to simplify frequencies of 25% to 75% on a 50% freq and keep a simplify strategy of only 50% and 100% freqs?
Hi Ben, nice video! What are some of the bluff-raises for IP otr? I can see 82 is bluff-raising but what are other combos? Is it centered around having 9,T,5?
Hi, Ben Sulsky - I noticed that when you did the videos with Patrick Sekinger you had mentioned to him that he might consider sizing down his 3-bets. I also notice that you use relatively large 3-bet sizings, which I like, but I'm curious about whether your thoughts changed regarding the advice you gave to Patrick or if you are simply implementing a different 3-betting strategy. Thanks.
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21:21 if u think about it .....AQo, folding might be the best play.
Last minute I'm thinking how to find those A6-A8 raises on the river. Well for sure I can't know that villain is somewhat capped for 1/2 size, he might be just using small size with way too many strong hands(unbalanced strategy). If he does it will be bigger mistake to raise it(A6-A8) than call, right?
Thanks for video, nice pio analyses!
Correct. I think in the 2/5 meta it's more likely all hands go in the small sizing than it is that the small sizing is very capped.
Hey Ben. At 6:00 you turn 2 pair in multiway pot, and choose half pot size, saying you could even bet smaller. You say "the idea here is basically to..." but never finish the sentence. I was hoping you could finish the sentence here.
Why is betting bigger not a thing here? My thinking is everyone has checked and is capped, our betting range is going to be polar, thus a big bet makes all the sense. Why is that wrong?
"My thinking is everyone has checked and is capped," I don't think this is a good approximation of GTO, but might be a reasonable assumption in some games.
You're correct that if you suspect your opponents are capped you should increase your betsizing.
OK but you said during that hand "I don't think people are checking back alot of strong hands multiway". And then proceed to bet just halfpot while saying you could also bet smaller. Are you just not putting that much weight into your meta game read, or is betting small multiway just the thing to do?
What sizing would you use if you knew your opponents never slowplayed sets here?
The latter, I don't put very much weight into meta game reads, particularly at 2/5 where I only play a small number of hands.
If you know your opponents never slowplay sets I think it's pretty reasonable to carve out a B150 ish sizing, no combos of 74s/97s, and if we have an 8 in our hand only 1 combo of turned 888, so 85 becomes the effective nuts.
How do you approach studying multiway pots? Do you believe Monkersolver multiway outputs are solid? What other study tools would you recommend if someone was willing to try anything?
I would use monker and tweak it with my intuition
Thanks for the video. You mention duplicating parts of your opponents range with the 7d at 15:28. I understand what you mean, but I’m not quite getting the application of that idea here. Can you elaborate at all? Is it another way of framing removal?
Thanks.
If I have the 7d in my hand and the flop is AdKcKd, he can't have a few of the weaker combos in his range like 7d6d, 8d7d, 7d7x. If I had a hand like 5s5h he could have all of these combos and would fold more frequently.
QQ bluff dont you think that people is overfolding in the turn so that villain range in river is very strong (not so much fe) I think villains range river is going to be AJ+ and AJ is only suited, cannot see villain folding AK+, so i dont think the bluff is very profitable in spite of the blockers
A bold assumption
what hands do you think villain is calling on that turn that folds in the riv?
At least some of the non 2PR+ ones that appear in the Pio sim
Thank you very much for making these
hello. About QQ hand. I was pretty surprised when in your sim checking flop almost not allowed for OOP. Not so long time ago Daniel Dvoress made a simular sim (board AK6r but with lower SPR): https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/3bet-pots-part-2/ (brief results at 10:00) and in his sims OOP checking 80%. I understand that board a bit different, SPR lower, but still surprised that it changes checking OOP from 80% to <1%.
mako27: While I generally love Daniel Dvoress' videos and found also this one very helpful, his assumptions about preflop play in that sim were quite sketchy. He assumed that co would flat all of AA, all of KK, all of AKs and even 25% of AKo vs the bb 3bet, which, at 50bb deep seems way off, esp that AK portion (compared to what the population does in mtts). What he did was really almost not allow co to 4bet, which then resulted in his range being almost as strong as the 3bettors
Another factor is that the 3betting range Daniel gave, which he apparantly took from pio preflop, at 50 bb is a lot more polarized then the onne Ben is using for deeper stacked play, so Daniels range has a fair number of non BW/nonpair/ nonA/nonK hands that completely whiff, and those hands are almost absent from the callers range, (other then some SCs)
Hi Ben.
How much mistake (or ev lose) do you think would be to simplify frequencies of 25% to 75% on a 50% freq and keep a simplify strategy of only 50% and 100% freqs?
Hey ben,
Great vid as always.
You talked about rake simulations.
I would love to know in what ways you do this simulations. thanks
Hi Ben, nice video! What are some of the bluff-raises for IP otr? I can see 82 is bluff-raising but what are other combos? Is it centered around having 9,T,5?
Ben Sulsky What do you mean by OOP is using a ton of potshare? Thanks.
Hi, Ben Sulsky - I noticed that when you did the videos with Patrick Sekinger you had mentioned to him that he might consider sizing down his 3-bets. I also notice that you use relatively large 3-bet sizings, which I like, but I'm curious about whether your thoughts changed regarding the advice you gave to Patrick or if you are simply implementing a different 3-betting strategy. Thanks.
hey,Ben,is qq always a bet on this qkj flop?what do we really acomplish here by betting? Protection? value?semibluff?
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