$162 6-Max (part 5)
Posted by James Obst
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this is labeled wrong as it is MTT not NLHE(cash) content :)
@ 32:30
When you call the click-it-back 4-bet with A3s, do you consider how strong your range is when you defend against it by calling? By calling and giving him the pot unimporved you make it more profitable for him to click it back and steal on the flop with almost any hand. If you don't 5-bet shove this hand you are playing quite weak passive.
Do you think it could be viable to defend against the click back in that spot by calling everything we're continuing with? I agree that if we're just jamming the top of our range and hooding hands like this it's very easy for him to play post.
5-betting is definitely more attractive than hooding OOP. If our opponent want to have any chance of winning the pot he needs to defend against the 5-bet. I would certainly not advocate flatting your entire range in that spot.
Trying to avoid variance and 3-betting is often inconsistent.
Would you have a range for peeling the 4bet in the fist place? It seems like we should when he makes it so small, right? Especially from the small blind where we're going to have a wider 3b range. I guess we do have room to make it ~100k and fold to a shove, or do you prefer jamming? What should be our general gameplan with various hands in our 3bet range against this tiny 4bet?
Once again I'm not trying to be patronizing, but tournaments aren't cash games and game theory in that sense just doesn't apply in this spot. I'm not bothered by what having this hand here makes my range because I have given my opponent a strong range of minimal Ax and high % of strong pairs (and some bluffs but I obviously read him as strong or I would have shoved). This hand is isolated and with a unique dynamic, plus he will not be able to feel comfortable assigning a range to me. None of that really matters because I've assessed, rightfully or wrongly, that he's strong often and I'd prefer to call versus shove, and call > fold, and the flop play will be simple with those assumptions. *I need to note, some of these assumptions are contentious - of course some players may opt to click back AK/AQ (as well as if they are 4betting light, they may well choose an Ax heavy range though you'd expect bad Ax to 4bet larger if they 4b), and if they are in here with much frequency, and my read of strength stands, I need to be folding to the 4b. I'm a little mindful of saying call>fold for this reason but in general you see that unmade hands are less willing to invite a flop by offering such odds on the 4b.
Mind games are rife deep in tournaments and while some modern day players might be focused on having consistent ranges for making plays, I believe the overwhelming majority of players' decision to 4bet light etc is dictated by emotion more than cards. I'm not worried about being exploited in the future by getting clicked back on because the next time it happens the dynamic will be different and I may not interpret it as strength, and I'll shove as you encourage here. I do think it's a bit ridiculous to say that not mashing in 38bbs here with A3s constitutes weak/passive play and I hope other viewers overlook that comment, and continue to attempt to develop skills in reading the play rather than just the cards. If I made a bad read here, as I do often, I'll live with that - but the reason I would have chosen to 3b here to begin with was that I didn't anticipate getting 4b light in this spot, so I have to respect it when it happens.
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