Really enjoyed your first vid, you explained your thinking and plays very well :)
For me as a micro stakes player I would like to see you move down stakes, so the video and concepts would be more appropriate to the villains at my level. Would like to see some live play of you also.
I think the most interesting hand was the qq44ds. Just wondering what you would have done if the turn was a non pairing heart and he bets into you? You think that he rarely has tp and sets which makes sense and you put him on aaxx with nut hearts, so would you have folded or just *sigh* call it off?
Thanks a lot for kind words. Really means a lot to me especially since making videos is new ground for me.
@ Snowman, with the QQ44 i think given that i dont expect him to bluff heart turns almost ever since, 1st - the heart hit my range very well and must be especially scary for him if he holds no hearts himself and 2nd - that if he diden´t made a flush on the turn we will most of the time have a madehand strong enought that he wouldn´t want to bluff with it, it would be a fairly easy fold.
I felt like my hud is so standard it that it wouldn´t need an explanation. Sorry for that.
So it is: Vpip / PFR / Steal / 3-Bet
AF / Cbet/fold2cbet/ went2SD
Its not big but I prefer to have it this way because i feel its more clearly like this and it dosen´t take much time to pop up the window with the detailed stats.
Sro23811 years, 1 month agoIf we are folding on a heart turn, given the SPR is about 1.4, what cards are we looking for on the turn? I agree that villains range is going to contain many nut flush draws, King kigh flush draws but am struggling to imagine what turn cards we can win with. It seems about 80% of the deck is going to make our hand a fold, and half of the remaining 20% will leave us bluffing with no equity. Can you explain in more detail what cards on the turn we are looking to hit to make our flop call profitable with an SPR of 1.4?
Can you comment more on why you choose to CB on the smaller side on monotone flops? I agree this is a good exploitative play, but would appreciate your perspective.
Really enjoyed the video all and all, looking forward to more!
Dude... bro... seriously - that was a really great first video. I agree with SnowmanMOT - you do a really great job of explaining both the "what" and the "why" of what you're doing in each hand - both pre- and post-flop. I think it's good fundamental coaching to explain why "standard spots" are standard.
Re: number of tables - I personally find it hard to follow LIVE sessions w/ 4 or more tables with the coach frantically jumping around. I don't think it matters how many tables if its recorded and you're going back to explain other hands that happened simultaneously.
Very nice first video. I like the hand review format the best.
32:00... What would you estimate the average players donking range consists of in this spot? (In percentage terms... 10% bluffs, 30% flush draws, 40% over pairs, etc.?)
Also, what line would you take if Villain was 200+bb's deep in this same spot?
Congrats for ur first video Stefan. I really enjoy it.
I just want to say that I agree in part with Snowman what concerns at the QQ44 hand. I expected the villain to c/r in this spot with a lot of set combos more than draw combos, and I think there are very reasons for that. The first is that the buttom is short stack, and he would expect him to bet after checking into him with a wide range, and then he can shove comfortabily into you. The second reason, is that a dry set (like 99JK) dont play very well (just ok) on turns after getting called, but a combo draw (like those u mencioned, I mean A89Ts) plays fairly well, and u dont have to fear a raise on flop neither. U can go allin with the butom and just flat ur raise and see the turn, u know...
And one more thing, if the turn comes a heart, I think he is continuing with a part of his range that u have beat, I mean, a hand with a set and a lower flush draw like 899Ts, which is a hand that he is surely opening and definitively c/r, but that u have crushed on a heart turn and he is going to continue with, and you are inclined to fold your hand.
Well, this are only some thougts I have, and I want to share with u, but sure I am wrong in some part
Thank you for the video and the explanations, I expect a new video soon.
Thx for all the feedback and the suggestions for future videos, really appreciate it.
@ trondeez: I think about his range in that spot in a little simpler way, just trying to divide it between value / semibluffs and pure bluffs. Another consideration which it find is very important in that spot is how much 4bets/folds/calls vs a raise on the flop.
My guess would be that the average players donking range on 1/2 is definitively gonna be on the tighter side with mosty value hands (also including strong draws ofc.). As far as semibluffs go I think it´s usually hands that are just too weak to check/call, but have some value, like weak draws or weak pairs with some backup equity or some kind of combination of the two. Pure bluffs I´d say are pretty infrequent and would most likely be hands including a high diamond or a pocket pair which can continue to barrel on some straight cards on the turn.
Thinking about how he´s gonna continue this range vs a raise, I think most of his value hands gonna 4bet on the flop, some of them call and some of them fold(like top and bottom pair). His semibluffs will mostly fold since I defined them as hands which are too weak to check/call and are also too weak to valuebet since they would be in the value range then. I still feel like they could find a call sometimes if they are suspicious that you might be bluffing a lot.
All that said, i think donking ranges are very player dependent and the HUD can be very helpful here. Not only the donkbet stat in itself but also the check/raise flop% and the fold vs cbet stat can give you a hint. For example if a player donks a lot and check/raises a lot too his donking range becomes weaker since he will most likey have some strong hands in his check/raising range. Similarly if a player donks a lot and has a low fold vs cbet% he will likley have some stronger hands in his checking range, weakening his donking range.
Hey Sro, thanks for your question. I agree with you that I would be folding a lot on the turn when he barrels. But I think the chance that we wont barrel is high enought to justify a call on the flop. As I said I feel like he wont be bluffing hearts on the turn and i also think that he would check on many straight, and some board pairing cards on the turn. If he does so I would mostly check behind since I dont think he´s gonna check fold often enough and maybe pot/calling on a T,8 or 6 of clubs. So I think that I can realize my equity a decent percentage of the time + maybe able to bluff some rivers + getting in 1.4 ps bets on the turn with very good equity when I hit my set on the turn(which is a bigger deal then it might look on the first glance).
Hey frogeatzer, sorry for not commenting on his play. I think his 4bet is fine given that my 3bet in that spot is around 18%. When I 4bet him I like a call since his hand has around 33% against random Aces and he can still fold on some flops which gives him a little bit in the way of implied odds, plus little extra value the times I dont have AAxx.
isnt the mistake even bigger if he folds say an 882 flop the times you dont have AA, comparing to just getting it in preflop. It would be a terrible mistake to fold incorrectly when getting 8:1.
its a 68$ loss on avg to get it in pre ( assuming 33% ), its 49$ loss 100% of the time if he folds, can you really expect to lose less by flatting pre ?
im 4bet folding that hand at zoom games fwiw, so interested in the discussion :)
Since the 5bettor will alway ship his last 50$ and the AKQ9ds can still fold if he thinks he doesn't have enough equity to go broke on the flop, he will be on the good end as far as implied odds go. Exception would be that he makes too many incorrect folds on the flop which should only be the case if he´s way off in his read on his opponents 5betting range.
Besides, I just feel like that you would too exploitable if you start folding a hand that strong in a restealing spot.
I also like what Tiltkorv suggested and just call against a tighter opponent, but in a restealspot I think this hand is just a 4bet against all but the very tightest opponents. If the hand was just single suited I like a call much more against all but very agressive opponents.
Like the video and love PLO zoom videos. Would be nice to see you play some lower stakes and after that maybe analyze some specific situation. Such as examples on how to play from the blinds or how to play with bad KKxx and very premium KKxx type of hands would be very interesting imo. Great to have an austrian pro here!
many thanks, I currently only play PLO Zoom myself as I dont have the time to sit down playing for very long at any given moment. Looking forward to more
Very good video, nice and clearly presented. As mentioned above if you could do a 25 or 50 plo vid I think that would help a lot of people. Though 200 is still valuable.
Around the 19min mark you state that kqj9 suited to king is not a good hand to 3b and plays bad vs a 4bet. Can you explain why king high rundowns play bad in 4bet pots. Next question why do queen ad jack high rundowns play better in 4bet pots over king high run downs.
King hi rundowns don't play as well in 4-bet pots because a lot of times you'll be up against AAxx or an Ace hi broadway rundown that has you dominated.
If you run hot & cold equities of AAxx vs K hi, Q hi or J hi rundowns you'll see that the farther your wrap is removed from the ace the more live you are drawing and the your equity will be higher.
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Hi Stefan,
Really enjoyed your first vid, you explained your thinking and plays very well :)
For me as a micro stakes player I would like to see you move down stakes, so the video and concepts would be more appropriate to the villains at my level. Would like to see some live play of you also.
On that theme, I vote for some live hu at 100plo.
Thanks! I was a bit nervous on my first video and I´m glad you liked it! I will take your request into consideration for my next few videos.
Yeahh, a fellow Austrian as a coach, loving it.
Welcome to RunitOnce Stefan, looking foward to your videos.
I think the most interesting hand was the qq44ds. Just wondering what you would have done if the turn was a non pairing heart and he bets into you? You think that he rarely has tp and sets which makes sense and you put him on aaxx with nut hearts, so would you have folded or just *sigh* call it off?
Stefan could you please explain your HUD stats.
A very solid debut. Well explained, and good flow. I hope to see more 2-tabling Zoom videos from you.
Thanks a lot for kind words. Really means a lot to me especially since making videos is new ground for me.
@ Snowman, with the QQ44 i think given that i dont expect him to bluff heart turns almost ever since, 1st - the heart hit my range very well and must be especially scary for him if he holds no hearts himself and 2nd - that if he diden´t made a flush on the turn we will most of the time have a madehand strong enought that he wouldn´t want to bluff with it, it would be a fairly easy fold.
I felt like my hud is so standard it that it wouldn´t need an explanation. Sorry for that.
So it is: Vpip / PFR / Steal / 3-Bet
AF / Cbet/fold2cbet/ went2SD
Its not big but I prefer to have it this way because i feel its more clearly like this and it dosen´t take much time to pop up the window with the detailed stats.
Can you comment more on why you choose to CB on the smaller side on monotone flops? I agree this is a good exploitative play, but would appreciate your perspective.
Really enjoyed the video all and all, looking forward to more!
Dude... bro... seriously - that was a really great first video. I agree with SnowmanMOT - you do a really great job of explaining both the "what" and the "why" of what you're doing in each hand - both pre- and post-flop. I think it's good fundamental coaching to explain why "standard spots" are standard.
Re: number of tables - I personally find it hard to follow LIVE sessions w/ 4 or more tables with the coach frantically jumping around. I don't think it matters how many tables if its recorded and you're going back to explain other hands that happened simultaneously.
Very nice first video. I like the hand review format the best.
32:00... What would you estimate the average players donking range consists of in this spot? (In percentage terms... 10% bluffs, 30% flush draws, 40% over pairs, etc.?)
Also, what line would you take if Villain was 200+bb's deep in this same spot?
Congrats for ur first video Stefan. I really enjoy it.
I just want to say that I agree in part with Snowman what concerns at the QQ44 hand. I expected the villain to c/r in this spot with a lot of set combos more than draw combos, and I think there are very reasons for that. The first is that the buttom is short stack, and he would expect him to bet after checking into him with a wide range, and then he can shove comfortabily into you. The second reason, is that a dry set (like 99JK) dont play very well (just ok) on turns after getting called, but a combo draw (like those u mencioned, I mean A89Ts) plays fairly well, and u dont have to fear a raise on flop neither. U can go allin with the butom and just flat ur raise and see the turn, u know...
And one more thing, if the turn comes a heart, I think he is continuing with a part of his range that u have beat, I mean, a hand with a set and a lower flush draw like 899Ts, which is a hand that he is surely opening and definitively c/r, but that u have crushed on a heart turn and he is going to continue with, and you are inclined to fold your hand.
Well, this are only some thougts I have, and I want to share with u, but sure I am wrong in some part
Thank you for the video and the explanations, I expect a new video soon.
Great first video, I prefer 1/2 and 2/5 zoom 6 max for the future.
Nice video, I guess I had you labeled the wrong color if your making vids on here :)
Good video. I'd be happy seeing more of the same for a while.
Thx for all the feedback and the suggestions for future videos, really appreciate it.
@ trondeez: I think about his range in that spot in a little simpler way, just trying to divide it between value / semibluffs and pure bluffs. Another consideration which it find is very important in that spot is how much 4bets/folds/calls vs a raise on the flop.
My guess would be that the average players donking range on 1/2 is definitively gonna be on the tighter side with mosty value hands (also including strong draws ofc.). As far as semibluffs go I think it´s usually hands that are just too weak to check/call, but have some value, like weak draws or weak pairs with some backup equity or some kind of combination of the two. Pure bluffs I´d say are pretty infrequent and would most likely be hands including a high diamond or a pocket pair which can continue to barrel on some straight cards on the turn.
Thinking about how he´s gonna continue this range vs a raise, I think most of his value hands gonna 4bet on the flop, some of them call and some of them fold(like top and bottom pair). His semibluffs will mostly fold since I defined them as hands which are too weak to check/call and are also too weak to valuebet since they would be in the value range then. I still feel like they could find a call sometimes if they are suspicious that you might be bluffing a lot.
All that said, i think donking ranges are very player dependent and the HUD can be very helpful here. Not only the donkbet stat in itself but also the check/raise flop% and the fold vs cbet stat can give you a hint. For example if a player donks a lot and check/raises a lot too his donking range becomes weaker since he will most likey have some strong hands in his check/raising range. Similarly if a player donks a lot and has a low fold vs cbet% he will likley have some stronger hands in his checking range, weakening his donking range.
no comments on Garrinchas (16.49 ) AKQ9DS preflop 4bet call ? dont you think it is a mistake to call 5bet preflop ??
Hey Sro, thanks for your question. I agree with you that I would be folding a lot on the turn when he barrels. But I think the chance that we wont barrel is high enought to justify a call on the flop. As I said I feel like he wont be bluffing hearts on the turn and i also think that he would check on many straight, and some board pairing cards on the turn. If he does so I would mostly check behind since I dont think he´s gonna check fold often enough and maybe pot/calling on a T,8 or 6 of clubs. So I think that I can realize my equity a decent percentage of the time + maybe able to bluff some rivers + getting in 1.4 ps bets on the turn with very good equity when I hit my set on the turn(which is a bigger deal then it might look on the first glance).
Hey frogeatzer, sorry for not commenting on his play. I think his 4bet is fine given that my 3bet in that spot is around 18%. When I 4bet him I like a call since his hand has around 33% against random Aces and he can still fold on some flops which gives him a little bit in the way of implied odds, plus little extra value the times I dont have AAxx.
isnt the mistake even bigger if he folds say an 882 flop the times you dont have AA, comparing to just getting it in preflop. It would be a terrible mistake to fold incorrectly when getting 8:1.
its a 68$ loss on avg to get it in pre ( assuming 33% ), its 49$ loss 100% of the time if he folds, can you really expect to lose less by flatting pre ?
im 4bet folding that hand at zoom games fwiw, so interested in the discussion :)
Cant we just not call 3bet with AKQ9ds ? If that was the hand on nitty zoom games where people dont 3bet light overall
Since the 5bettor will alway ship his last 50$ and the AKQ9ds can still fold if he thinks he doesn't have enough equity to go broke on the flop, he will be on the good end as far as implied odds go. Exception would be that he makes too many incorrect folds on the flop which should only be the case if he´s way off in his read on his opponents 5betting range.
Besides, I just feel like that you would too exploitable if you start folding a hand that strong in a restealing spot.
I also like what Tiltkorv suggested and just call against a tighter opponent, but in a restealspot I think this hand is just a 4bet against all but the very tightest opponents. If the hand was just single suited I like a call much more against all but very agressive opponents.
Great Video! :)
Like the video and love PLO zoom videos. Would be nice to see you play some lower stakes and after that maybe analyze some specific situation. Such as examples on how to play from the blinds or how to play with bad KKxx and very premium KKxx type of hands would be very interesting imo. Great to have an austrian pro here!
plo50-100zoom would also be nice, but 200-500 is great aswell. very nice first video, looking forward to next one.
many thanks, I currently only play PLO Zoom myself as I dont have the time to sit down playing for very long at any given moment. Looking forward to more
Thanks for a great video, overall a nice detalied first one!
I like that you play the 200s but I wouldn't mind if you played 50 og 100, thanks again!
Very good video, nice and clearly presented. As mentioned above if you could do a 25 or 50 plo vid I think that would help a lot of people. Though 200 is still valuable.
Around the 19min mark you state that kqj9 suited to king is not a good hand to 3b and plays bad vs a 4bet. Can you explain why king high rundowns play bad in 4bet pots. Next question why do queen ad jack high rundowns play better in 4bet pots over king high run downs.
King hi rundowns don't play as well in 4-bet pots because a lot of times you'll be up against AAxx or an Ace hi broadway rundown that has you dominated.
If you run hot & cold equities of AAxx vs K hi, Q hi or J hi rundowns you'll see that the farther your wrap is removed from the ace the more live you are drawing and the your equity will be higher.
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