I don't understand your bet sizing on the 834 board. You do say you should bet bigger but what are the benefits to betting so small when there are a lot of bad turn cards? High run outs are favorable to you if they call the flop and you cover that - but to what degree are your sizings value related as opposed to protection related? and how value-heavy can you make your flop bets in a game where the turn changes equity distributions so much?
I think it's just a sizing mistake to be honest. Could have been an auto pilot type of mistake, but I think I should be potting it into 3 opponents on an eight high board texture as the OOP PFR. I think from an exploitative point of view you can argue just sizing it in an unbalanced manner for what you want for your combo in weak player pools such as this one in the video. Theoretically, I think it can be argued that we could have a 100% checking range in this spot, but as far as to what degree should our sizings be value related as opposed to protecting related? It will often depend on board texture and/or how many opponents are in the hand. Equity distributions are essentially part of the rest of this answer, but when HU on dry/static textures I think we can size down often to risk less on our bluffs and get more value out of more of our opponents range when they are forced to defend wider. The more opponents in the hand the more polarized we will be anyway, so to me sizing for value and protection often go hand in hand, but generally it makes sense to size our bets larger for a combination of value and protection on wet boards where the turn and/or river are almost always changing what the nuts is. Hopefully that answered it, but if you want to discuss more just let me know!
Re: The KJT8 hand at 12:00, wouldn't it be better to size flop like $11.5 so that player3 jam reopens the action?
Also, I'm curious about your reasoning for shoving the turn. It's effectively a dry sidepot situation since I can't imagine you ever have fold equity from the player with $9. When our river visibility is so good, I almost always would check back in this spot. Unimproved, we probably don't win almost ever with K high (I realize we did somehow chop this time -- but in general K high shouldn't have much chance to win) and obviously most of the time when we do hit we can easily value bet. So it seems to me that we risk a large bet to gain a small amount of equity (and occasionally free up some of our outs when we force a flush draw to fold).
I think that's a good point about the flop sizing and often a spot that players don't pay enough attention in regarding stack sizes and how the action will play out depending on how we size our bet. I think in this spot most players in this pool and possibly other player pools as well in 3's position just jam anything as a lead for essentially pot to protect and possibly take advantage of any FE, but I agree if I'm not going to pot it in this spot, then it makes sense to consider sizing it down to allow for the pot to be reopened to apply pressure and see all 5 cards.
Another good point regarding the shove. I think I was fixated on attacking the deeper player as he is likely very capped in this turn spot from what I see from the player pool with their flop x/c ranges and likely overestimated the benefit of equity denial and getting the pot HU with a player that essentially doesn't matter at this point as you stated. We should in theory have some draws I think to barrel with and then some to check back with to balance the combos in our range that want to get to SD, but in this pool I don't think we have to worry about balance as much and it for sure makes sense to probably just value bet heavy and check back lots of combos like this in possibly a very exploitative manner. Those were very good spots to talk about, so thanks for commenting!
Hey Nick so these hands are quite confusing to me. At the 13 min mark of your video you decide to bet both of your wraps on both flops multiway, so from what I have learned on RIO (correct me if I'm wrong) We should be cautious when we have a wrap on a flushdraw board if we don't have a flush ourselves. On the right table I can understand we want to get it in against the shorter stacks but what are your thoughts about checking with a wrap on flushdraw boards in general?
Excellent point and question. So, this video is about 5 months old or so and what I have found is that I do better by betting in a little more of a polar manner IP and do better overall by being a little less aggro in these spots with combos that can fit in better as good check backs to help balance my range and realize my equity in the most efficient manner.
Wraps without flush or pair blockers I tend to check at a very high frequency now because I don't block enough continues, I won't like enough runouts while bloating the pot and I believe I am not realizing my equity in the most efficient manner. I found that I also wasn't doing well enough on straight runouts when I was betting too often with my wraps. My thoughts at the time were my opponents ranges were quite weak and wide, so I should be betting more often, but I have found it is just better for my range to bet more of the wraps that have redraws or relevant blockers and check/act a little more cautiously with the wraps that you and I are discussing.
I think with any video that is at least a few months old it's a good idea to ask any of the pros on the roster if they still are implementing some of the same lines/strats because sometimes those will change for sure, so thank you for pointing this out.
Appreciate the feedback and glad you are enjoying the videos! Feel free to grill me on any of the videos at any point haha.
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I don't understand your bet sizing on the 834 board. You do say you should bet bigger but what are the benefits to betting so small when there are a lot of bad turn cards? High run outs are favorable to you if they call the flop and you cover that - but to what degree are your sizings value related as opposed to protection related? and how value-heavy can you make your flop bets in a game where the turn changes equity distributions so much?
I think it's just a sizing mistake to be honest. Could have been an auto pilot type of mistake, but I think I should be potting it into 3 opponents on an eight high board texture as the OOP PFR. I think from an exploitative point of view you can argue just sizing it in an unbalanced manner for what you want for your combo in weak player pools such as this one in the video. Theoretically, I think it can be argued that we could have a 100% checking range in this spot, but as far as to what degree should our sizings be value related as opposed to protecting related? It will often depend on board texture and/or how many opponents are in the hand. Equity distributions are essentially part of the rest of this answer, but when HU on dry/static textures I think we can size down often to risk less on our bluffs and get more value out of more of our opponents range when they are forced to defend wider. The more opponents in the hand the more polarized we will be anyway, so to me sizing for value and protection often go hand in hand, but generally it makes sense to size our bets larger for a combination of value and protection on wet boards where the turn and/or river are almost always changing what the nuts is. Hopefully that answered it, but if you want to discuss more just let me know!
Re: The KJT8 hand at 12:00, wouldn't it be better to size flop like $11.5 so that player3 jam reopens the action?
Also, I'm curious about your reasoning for shoving the turn. It's effectively a dry sidepot situation since I can't imagine you ever have fold equity from the player with $9. When our river visibility is so good, I almost always would check back in this spot. Unimproved, we probably don't win almost ever with K high (I realize we did somehow chop this time -- but in general K high shouldn't have much chance to win) and obviously most of the time when we do hit we can easily value bet. So it seems to me that we risk a large bet to gain a small amount of equity (and occasionally free up some of our outs when we force a flush draw to fold).
I think that's a good point about the flop sizing and often a spot that players don't pay enough attention in regarding stack sizes and how the action will play out depending on how we size our bet. I think in this spot most players in this pool and possibly other player pools as well in 3's position just jam anything as a lead for essentially pot to protect and possibly take advantage of any FE, but I agree if I'm not going to pot it in this spot, then it makes sense to consider sizing it down to allow for the pot to be reopened to apply pressure and see all 5 cards.
Another good point regarding the shove. I think I was fixated on attacking the deeper player as he is likely very capped in this turn spot from what I see from the player pool with their flop x/c ranges and likely overestimated the benefit of equity denial and getting the pot HU with a player that essentially doesn't matter at this point as you stated. We should in theory have some draws I think to barrel with and then some to check back with to balance the combos in our range that want to get to SD, but in this pool I don't think we have to worry about balance as much and it for sure makes sense to probably just value bet heavy and check back lots of combos like this in possibly a very exploitative manner. Those were very good spots to talk about, so thanks for commenting!
Hey Nick so these hands are quite confusing to me. At the 13 min mark of your video you decide to bet both of your wraps on both flops multiway, so from what I have learned on RIO (correct me if I'm wrong) We should be cautious when we have a wrap on a flushdraw board if we don't have a flush ourselves. On the right table I can understand we want to get it in against the shorter stacks but what are your thoughts about checking with a wrap on flushdraw boards in general?
Btw, great video once again. Enjoying em!
Excellent point and question. So, this video is about 5 months old or so and what I have found is that I do better by betting in a little more of a polar manner IP and do better overall by being a little less aggro in these spots with combos that can fit in better as good check backs to help balance my range and realize my equity in the most efficient manner.
Wraps without flush or pair blockers I tend to check at a very high frequency now because I don't block enough continues, I won't like enough runouts while bloating the pot and I believe I am not realizing my equity in the most efficient manner. I found that I also wasn't doing well enough on straight runouts when I was betting too often with my wraps. My thoughts at the time were my opponents ranges were quite weak and wide, so I should be betting more often, but I have found it is just better for my range to bet more of the wraps that have redraws or relevant blockers and check/act a little more cautiously with the wraps that you and I are discussing.
I think with any video that is at least a few months old it's a good idea to ask any of the pros on the roster if they still are implementing some of the same lines/strats because sometimes those will change for sure, so thank you for pointing this out.
Appreciate the feedback and glad you are enjoying the videos! Feel free to grill me on any of the videos at any point haha.
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