1:40 I definitely agree to just start betting out of the blinds in limped pots when we flop something. I will usually check high top pair hands (such as Q2 there), lead lower top pair hands, lead draws such as OESD and non-nut flush draws, x/f gutshots and anything weaker. my question is are you ever concerned about being face up in these spots, particularly multi-way? like obviously it doesn't matter much HU vs. most fish, but let's say SB had completed and was a reg? or BTN reg had overlimped? not something that happens often enough to worry about? or we should approach multi-way spots completely differently?
18:20 regarding our bet/check/bet range, I normally would just continue JJ-KK ott to get value from TT, 99, 98s, 87s, 77, 55. Do you think this is reasonable or that bet/check/bet is better? I'm not sure how many Ax flop floats Villain will/should have on a flop that connects well with him bc we will cbet lower freq, thus making me more likely to go for wider value barrel ott.
for bet/check/bet lines in these spots in general, how do we balance the considerations of part of our range wanting this line (A5s, etc.) and yet being able to adequately defend against river raises by aggressive/perceptive Villains who realize our range is capped? it seems like in order to protect this river range we would have to make some really strong turn checks (mostly with sets) which would cause us to potentially lose a lot of bet/bet/bet value.
1:40 - Balance is a non-issue in these sorts of spots, instead just play your hand vs their range for max EV.
18:20 - I think a turn bet with JJ-KK would be a mistake as you're not doing well at all vs their turn cont. range. I would check this turn at a reasonable frequency and always checking JJ-KK here, potentially re-opening action OTR for a small sizing with said range.
I think rivers get under-bluffed in general at micros and small-stakes, especially when it comes to raising rivers. I would be inclined to over-fold rivers vs aggression at
Balance/range-strengthening is entirely irrelevant in these spots, instead simply seek to play your hand in the most +EV fashion. In this case, we're interested in aggressively building the pot, and given the likely passivity of the villain in question, I think donk OB > XR but both are viable tbh.
River sizing should be reasonably big I'd imagine, given our range-strength + range polarity. I would fire off with some K8o type stuff as well as some A9 type stuff
QQ-KK(6), KQ(5*) so we have something like 11 combos.
If we shove (134bb, villain's remaining stack) he will need ~43% of eq to make a profitable call, so we will need to shove 8 bluffs combos ( 8 / (8+11) ~= 43%).
So what is our part of our range that has no value or the least.
A4s-A5s (gshots)(4combos if we 3bet at a 50% freq)
AT, AJ, AK (overcards to 99 with no FD OTT or BDFD)(still many more than 8combos)
Yep, definitely overbluffing :).
If we bet like 1/2 pot shouldn't we bluff only like 4combos, like the A4s-A5s to be balanced??
*we get there with ~50% freq
And if I hadn't said it before, GRRREAT video, very educational points along the way :)
Hi Cameron. Nice video, as usual ;) At last hand (43min) the ATo hand, you say it is better just fold vs co open. What kind of hands would you 3bet there? What would you do if AT was suited? TY.
"18:20 - I think a turn bet with JJ-KK would be a mistake as you're not doing well at all vs their turn cont. range. I would check this turn at a reasonable frequency and always checking JJ-KK here, potentially re-opening action OTR for a small sizing with said range."
With KK, if villain flats here with AK here about 40% of the time and floats this flop against a 1/2 pot 50% of the time with AJs+ and flats QQ pre here 40% and JJ pre 85% of the time. Flats 77+ pre and calls then turn with 99-QQ 50% of the time then you are still head of his calling range. Perhaps I'm underestimating how often villains will be floating with ace high here . But even if villain always floats with his available 6 combos of AJs and AQs we still have 50% equity against his range. Is there something I'm missing or this a very close spot?
But there is that brings up another question what the added benefits of each line such as protection/value/balance/hardest to play against etc. There might be some villains that are folding JJ to a bet/check/bet line but always call a double barrel on a card that they might perceive hero to bluff on.
0:54 bottom left. I realize we don't have a great hand but isn't this a great spot to cbet for a small sizing at a very high frequency given our range advantage or do you prefer a more polar strategy since hands like AA benefit a lot from putting a lot of money in the middle now?
U mention somewhere that people x/f too often as the pfr and that we should exploit this by stabbing wider as bluffs and thin value/protection. I understand the bluff part, but not the other one. Lets say the flop is QJ6 and we have A6 we want to check back I assume. Aren't you worried about becoming too capped once checking back? I understand checking ranges are too weak from PFR but for example if I see a check back I often bomb turn and get many folds.
Is it really profitable to call 4-bet w/ KQs OOP? We have 30-35% equity agains BB (25% needed for a call) but:
▻ we are OOP;
▻ capped, if we haven't worked on balancing this range (not sure if hero have);
▻ have awfull implide odds (the main point imo);
While those points are all true, our raw equity should sufficiently exceed the pot-odd threshold to make this a winning call, assuming villain's range is reasonable of course. Also, we should have a skill advantage which will allow us to realise a bigger portion of our equity, despite the disadvantages that we are faced with. Ultimately, calling will beat folding (-900bb/100)
02:30 what sort of range are you defending in the BB vs a small UTG raise? A3o seems on the loose side but I've not watched your video on Constructing BB Defend Ranges yet.
At 32:30 hero instacalls with AKs.
I understand that AKs is a premium hand but isn´t it a flip at best most of time?
I haven´t seen anyone shove AQ pf since 2009 at 100 bb deep, atleast not in a cash game.
Anytime I try this, villain has AA/KK/QQ, sometimes JJ/AK.
I realise that villain might be squeezing light here but after the shove, I think I would atleast think about it before I call 3/4 of my stack and pray for two live cards.
I know that the topic of "playing AK" has been argued forever but I just hate playing it.
Since no one has brought it up here nor did Cameron mention it, I guess it´s standard.
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Hi Cameron,
first of all thx for the series!
couple questions for you:
1:40 I definitely agree to just start betting out of the blinds in limped pots when we flop something. I will usually check high top pair hands (such as Q2 there), lead lower top pair hands, lead draws such as OESD and non-nut flush draws, x/f gutshots and anything weaker. my question is are you ever concerned about being face up in these spots, particularly multi-way? like obviously it doesn't matter much HU vs. most fish, but let's say SB had completed and was a reg? or BTN reg had overlimped? not something that happens often enough to worry about? or we should approach multi-way spots completely differently?
18:20 regarding our bet/check/bet range, I normally would just continue JJ-KK ott to get value from TT, 99, 98s, 87s, 77, 55. Do you think this is reasonable or that bet/check/bet is better? I'm not sure how many Ax flop floats Villain will/should have on a flop that connects well with him bc we will cbet lower freq, thus making me more likely to go for wider value barrel ott.
for bet/check/bet lines in these spots in general, how do we balance the considerations of part of our range wanting this line (A5s, etc.) and yet being able to adequately defend against river raises by aggressive/perceptive Villains who realize our range is capped? it seems like in order to protect this river range we would have to make some really strong turn checks (mostly with sets) which would cause us to potentially lose a lot of bet/bet/bet value.
thx again.
1:40 - Balance is a non-issue in these sorts of spots, instead just play your hand vs their range for max EV.
18:20 - I think a turn bet with JJ-KK would be a mistake as you're not doing well at all vs their turn cont. range. I would check this turn at a reasonable frequency and always checking JJ-KK here, potentially re-opening action OTR for a small sizing with said range.
I think rivers get under-bluffed in general at micros and small-stakes, especially when it comes to raising rivers. I would be inclined to over-fold rivers vs aggression at
Table 1 @ 2:40
Could we have a leading overbet range instead of check-raising?? Or is it better the check-raise to protect our checking range??
Balance/range-strengthening is entirely irrelevant in these spots, instead simply seek to play your hand in the most +EV fashion. In this case, we're interested in aggressively building the pot, and given the likely passivity of the villain in question, I think donk OB > XR but both are viable tbh.
Table 1 @ 22:55
His raise/calling raise should be K7, 77, K2cc right?
If we 3bet flop and get called, should we continue OTT if a blank hits (non 2 or A) ??
Should we barrel off river as well if a blank hits again???
I was also wondering this, really interesting thought process on this hand
I don't usually 3b these spots unless villain is very wide and/or I think 3bEV > callEV or foldEV. I would give up on all turns UI.
Table 3 (bottom-left) @ 27:09
He bets something like 70% OTF, and Turn. OTR if we bet again we should use a relatively big (like 70%) size as well or should we size down a bit?
And on a side note, our best kind of bluff OTR should be some Kx with no value right? Blocking K9.
River sizing should be reasonably big I'd imagine, given our range-strength + range polarity. I would fire off with some K8o type stuff as well as some A9 type stuff
nice video! I would like to see a LAG video. 4-6 normal tables or 2-4 table zoom.
@36:00 You talk about 3betting those good speculative hands.
You think 3betting at a 50% freq still is too high or should reduce even more.
And if we reduce it, replace it with another polarized hand or a more linear kind of hand. I mean instead of 3betting 50% 76s we could :
a) 3bet 25% 76s and 25% 75s
or
b) 3bet 25% 76s and 25% K9s (for example).
I would prefer to 3b 56s compared to K9s. That said, I wouldn't bother dedicating too much energy to these sorts of things
At the end, table 2 ATo
If he is overbluffing that river isn't he supposed to bet bigger than standard to balance his range??
QQ-KK(6), KQ(5*) so we have something like 11 combos.
If we shove (134bb, villain's remaining stack) he will need ~43% of eq to make a profitable call, so we will need to shove 8 bluffs combos ( 8 / (8+11) ~= 43%).
So what is our part of our range that has no value or the least.
A4s-A5s (gshots)(4combos if we 3bet at a 50% freq)
AT, AJ, AK (overcards to 99 with no FD OTT or BDFD)(still many more than 8combos)
Yep, definitely overbluffing :).
If we bet like 1/2 pot shouldn't we bluff only like 4combos, like the A4s-A5s to be balanced??
*we get there with ~50% freq
And if I hadn't said it before, GRRREAT video, very educational points along the way :)
Hi Cameron. Nice video, as usual ;) At last hand (43min) the ATo hand, you say it is better just fold vs co open. What kind of hands would you 3bet there? What would you do if AT was suited? TY.
Ty mate. I would VPIP ATs 100% SB v CO and since I don't typically have a cold-range here, I would 3b ATs 100%.
"18:20 - I think a turn bet with JJ-KK would be a mistake as you're not doing well at all vs their turn cont. range. I would check this turn at a reasonable frequency and always checking JJ-KK here, potentially re-opening action OTR for a small sizing with said range."
With KK, if villain flats here with AK here about 40% of the time and floats this flop against a 1/2 pot 50% of the time with AJs+ and flats QQ pre here 40% and JJ pre 85% of the time. Flats 77+ pre and calls then turn with 99-QQ 50% of the time then you are still head of his calling range. Perhaps I'm underestimating how often villains will be floating with ace high here . But even if villain always floats with his available 6 combos of AJs and AQs we still have 50% equity against his range. Is there something I'm missing or this a very close spot?
flopzilla: https://gyazo.com/6ddf1d07faf894f464fe90593e309394
But there is that brings up another question what the added benefits of each line such as protection/value/balance/hardest to play against etc. There might be some villains that are folding JJ to a bet/check/bet line but always call a double barrel on a card that they might perceive hero to bluff on.
0:54 bottom left. I realize we don't have a great hand but isn't this a great spot to cbet for a small sizing at a very high frequency given our range advantage or do you prefer a more polar strategy since hands like AA benefit a lot from putting a lot of money in the middle now?
U mention somewhere that people x/f too often as the pfr and that we should exploit this by stabbing wider as bluffs and thin value/protection. I understand the bluff part, but not the other one. Lets say the flop is QJ6 and we have A6 we want to check back I assume. Aren't you worried about becoming too capped once checking back? I understand checking ranges are too weak from PFR but for example if I see a check back I often bomb turn and get many folds.
27:35
What do you think about AQ vs stabby opponents, we flop a gutshot with TP. Might be good for balance to have in check/call range?
2:15
Is it really profitable to call 4-bet w/ KQs OOP? We have 30-35% equity agains BB (25% needed for a call) but:
▻ we are OOP;
▻ capped, if we haven't worked on balancing this range (not sure if hero have);
▻ have awfull implide odds (the main point imo);
While those points are all true, our raw equity should sufficiently exceed the pot-odd threshold to make this a winning call, assuming villain's range is reasonable of course. Also, we should have a skill advantage which will allow us to realise a bigger portion of our equity, despite the disadvantages that we are faced with. Ultimately, calling will beat folding (-900bb/100)
02:30 what sort of range are you defending in the BB vs a small UTG raise? A3o seems on the loose side but I've not watched your video on Constructing BB Defend Ranges yet.
I will fold less than half the time vs a UTG 2x. Axo fit well within said range. Watch the vid =)
At 32:30 hero instacalls with AKs.
I understand that AKs is a premium hand but isn´t it a flip at best most of time?
I haven´t seen anyone shove AQ pf since 2009 at 100 bb deep, atleast not in a cash game.
Anytime I try this, villain has AA/KK/QQ, sometimes JJ/AK.
I realise that villain might be squeezing light here but after the shove, I think I would atleast think about it before I call 3/4 of my stack and pray for two live cards.
I know that the topic of "playing AK" has been argued forever but I just hate playing it.
Since no one has brought it up here nor did Cameron mention it, I guess it´s standard.
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