zoom25 OOP 200+ Top set facing raise on drawy board

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zoom25 OOP 200+ Top set facing raise on drawy board

BN: $9.93
SB: $25
BB: $21.90
UTG: $158.07 (Hero)
HJ: $65.62
CO: $25
Villiain is a 21/13 over 64 hands but havnt played a hand against him
Preflop ($0.35) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt K K 4 J
Hero raises to $0.85, HJ calls $0.85, CO folds, BN calls $0.85, SB folds, BB calls $0.60
Flop ($3.50) 3 K Q (4 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.90, HJ raises to $8.50, BN folds, BB folds
This is where i get a little lost as to what to do next. Being that I have KK and being multiway i Feel a lot of his raising range would consist of a lot of good wraps+FD or Pair+ FD. normally a lot shallower i wouldnt worry too much and just pot get it in but being this deep i was wondering if its the correct play? and what about if villain flats my flop reraise? is it better to call and look to C/r safe turns? and is it as simple a c/f all clubs and non heart AJT9?

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CosmicTeapot 11 years, 10 months ago

Just mash pot. We're not really deep enough to get tricky with the flop, and that play doesn't really work as well when OOP. If my ghetto calculation is right, SPR will be around 0.6 on the turn so we are basically never folding even if he does flat. I'd imagine he'll just 4-bet most of the time anyways, seeing as he raised you with two players to act.

jonna102 11 years, 10 months ago

Ya, raise pot and get it in either on the flop or the turn.  You don't want to miss the opportunity to stack lower sets for example, or even two pair that is getting frisky.  With stacks the way they are you can get it in on any turn card without making a significant mistake.

ZenFish 11 years, 10 months ago

"and what about if villain flats my flop reraise?"

That will not happen often, and when it does, he still has to hit the turn, and when he does, it's not much of a mistake to pot the turn anyway (since you get almost half the stack in with the flop reraise). Small mistakes that happen a small percentage of the time are not significant leaks.


Andreas Fröhli 11 years, 10 months ago

I have played a similar hand this afternoon -but seems that I wasn't the villain in this hand :) -got 159 hands on you so far...

If I was villain though, you simply can't let me draw here (especially if a straightening card hits the turn, which I check behind almost all the time). I mean, it could be that I'm down 15 stacks again or something and raise here with the Nutflushdraw only and get it in for 150bb + (which I will regret later when) -which would mean you just made a stack in EV :)
 

Tom Coldwell 11 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, this is spot where we should just mash pot as everyone said and stuff turns if called. Yes, now and again they'll hit and we'll be making a tiny error OTT (maybe we'll have around 2.5% too little equity), but the gains from raising far outweigh this.

Ballsacula 11 years, 10 months ago

cheers for that guys cleared that up for me. what put me off was he actually did flat my pot raise on the flop which i thought was pretty strange and had me second guessing 

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