xC or xF in 3bPot ooP?
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xC or xF in 3bPot ooP?
BN: $65.70
SB: $32.43
BB: $25
UTG: $41.08
HJ: $30.17
CO: $25.35 (Hero)
SB: $32.43
BB: $25
UTG: $41.08
HJ: $30.17
CO: $25.35 (Hero)
BTN 3b ca 28% on Bu, cbet in 3b Pot 66% over decent hand sample
Preflop
($0.35)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
2
J
Q
T
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BN raises to $1.75, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $1
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BN raises to $1.75, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $1
Flop
($3.85)
7
J
4
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $3,
Hero raises to $8.50,
BN raises to $29.19,
Hero calls $15.10, and is all in
Turn
($59.64)
5
(2 Players)
River
($59.64)
8
(2 Players)
Final Pot
BN has
3
J
4
A
Hero has
2
J
Q
T
BN
wins $24.53
Bu cbets 100% on a board this dry in my opinion, so I am ahead of his range.
only question is which play is better: xC or xR
I decided to xR but given the fact that a lot of KJ and AJ are in his range I think I should xC here.
What do you think?
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Opening this type of hand when BTN is 3-betting 28% is asking for problems. Calling the 3B OOP is asking for more. The check-raise/get-it-in line on the flop lets him bet/fold his air and stack off with good equity for a lot of chips when he wants to.
Game plan perspective
If your game plan is to c/r and stack off on every flop where you have a dry and mediocre top pair, you are setting yourself up for getting a lot of money in bad. Villain may c-bet the flop 100%, but he only invests a small portion of the stack when bluffing (betting $3 into $3.85, with $23.60 effective stack behind).
When the remaining $23.60 goes in after you c/r and commit yourself, he is the one controlling the situation (by choosing when to stack off and when to fold), while you are praying he has a bad hand. The problem is, you have chosen to take a stand with a hand that is also bad.
The cure for these ills
- Open tighter preflop when he has position on you
- Which means you can profitably flat 3-bets more often (since your opening range is stronger on average)
- Which means you will have better flop equity when you hit something (more coordinated starting hands flop better, which is why they are better starting hands).
they should invent super like button :)
Zen...Just started playing PLO so I by any means am not doubting your advice but I guess I'm over valuing this type of hand in the CO. If we are not opening this hand in the CO, even with a BTN that is 3-betting 28%, how much better does this hand have to be? QJT7ss+? QJT7ds+?
I would open your hand from CO if the BTN and blinds were tight (for example, default open at a Zoom table). As it is, the BTN poses a threat to hands like this, so I would tighten up significantly.
If you want a rule of thumb, I'd say fold the singlesuited versions with more than 3 gaps (QJT6ss makes the cut, but not QJT5ss) and relax that rule for double-suited hands (QJT5ds would be an open). It's not scientific (and I don't claim to know what's optimal here), but by restricting yourself to 3-gappers, you improve your straight potential and avoid some icky spots.
CO is a position where your opening standards will vary a lot according to the circumstances, because the value of your hand is so dependent on what the BTN is up to. You might find yourself opening 25-30% at some tables, and 40%+ at others.
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