Hey guys - I have a video request for the pros - I'd love to see a video dedicated to playing tough OOP spots mainly KK/AA....I know Isildroon did a vid playing KK OOP but most of the spots didn't seem all that hard and would love to see some tougher scenarios....thanks for the great content guys - look forward to more in the future.
playing dry KK/AA OOP either in 3b pots or single raised pots....or maybe even a video or video series where you take your toughest hands and go through them
I think I understand what you're looking for. Basically, how to win more pots with unimproved & unimproving overpairs (especially OOP), because it feels weak to give them up early. But you might want to change your mindset a little, too.
Accept that you just have to give up a lot OOP with overpairs that totally miss the flop, and have few outs to improve. That doesn't have to be a leak in your overall strategy. Attack those boards with better hands (where "better" doesn't necessarily mean a higher ranking hand, but hands/draws with more outs, more playability, and better implied odds).
I also agree that it's a good video concept. Knowing the difference between overpair spots where it's good to continue and good to fold is a very useful skill, especially for beginners (going too far with too weak hands is a common leak).
themightyjim11 years, 2 months agozen is making a good point. if you come from a NL background the best way to help make sense of this is to understand that dry AA/KK hands OOP in PLO play very similar to med small pairs in NL (55-22). Very often you're going to flop poorly (ie no set) and you may be able to win the pot with a cbet on the flop, but when villains continue you're basically at the bottom of your range with little to no equity. Sometimes you're going to fold the best hand, and sometimes you're going to miss a profitable barrel (either for protection or bluffing) but within your range you have to give up sometimes and these are the hands to do it with.
I think feeling like we're tied/missing chances to win with AA and KK is a problem for me sometimes, and I think that is mostly due to me overvaluing the hand in certain situations because of my NL background.
I think this one would be a start to talk about situations like that:
I decided not to 4 bet pre because we are so deep and i think it would give away too much info about my hand i dont think my AA is super premium. Flop i just miss so what to do...
PLO .25/.50 zoom
BTN farrokh674 ($61.01 in chips) SB ($39.44 in chips) BB Coltaine ($101.54 in chips) UTG HERO ($126.76 in chips) UTG+1 Wang Ren De ($184.67 in chips) very LAG with 13% 3bet overall, 400hands CO BCD1895 ($94.27 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to hero [Qh Ah Ad 6c] hero: raises $1.25 to $1.75 Wang Ren De: raises $3.25 to $5 BCD1895: folds farrokh674: folds pietro0523: folds Coltaine: folds hero: calls $3.25 *** FLOP *** [8h Td 5c] hero: checks Wang Ren De: bets $5.75
i dont think there´s a general plan how to play those hands postflop. it depends on many facts like position, oponents tendencies, board structure etc.
I think that if you're not sure what to do, just muck it. It's way better to lose a few bbs when you just have a naked overpair than losing a fair chunk trying not be outplayed. I'm not sure what stakes you play in but in my experience it's rare to find one that will exploit this.
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Hi,
I assume you're refering mostly to SRPs, but is it when you open AA/KK and get called ip or when you defend KK or weak AA from the blinds? Or both?
playing dry KK/AA OOP either in 3b pots or single raised pots....or maybe even a video or video series where you take your toughest hands and go through them
I think I understand what you're looking for. Basically, how to win more pots with unimproved & unimproving overpairs (especially OOP), because it feels weak to give them up early. But you might want to change your mindset a little, too.
Accept that you just have to give up a lot OOP with overpairs that totally miss the flop, and have few outs to improve. That doesn't have to be a leak in your overall strategy. Attack those boards with better hands (where "better" doesn't necessarily mean a higher ranking hand, but hands/draws with more outs, more playability, and better implied odds).
I also agree that it's a good video concept. Knowing the difference between overpair spots where it's good to continue and good to fold is a very useful skill, especially for beginners (going too far with too weak hands is a common leak).
I think feeling like we're tied/missing chances to win with AA and KK is a problem for me sometimes, and I think that is mostly due to me overvaluing the hand in certain situations because of my NL background.
Post some spots that you think are tough ?
I think this one would be a start to talk about situations like that:
I decided not to 4 bet pre because we are so deep and i think it would give away too much info about my hand i dont think my AA is super premium. Flop i just miss so what to do...
PLO .25/.50 zoom
BTN farrokh674 ($61.01 in chips)
SB ($39.44 in chips)
BB Coltaine ($101.54 in chips)
UTG HERO ($126.76 in chips)
UTG+1 Wang Ren De ($184.67 in chips) very LAG with 13% 3bet overall, 400hands
CO BCD1895 ($94.27 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Qh Ah Ad 6c]
hero: raises $1.25 to $1.75
Wang Ren De: raises $3.25 to $5
BCD1895: folds
farrokh674: folds
pietro0523: folds
Coltaine: folds
hero: calls $3.25
*** FLOP *** [8h Td 5c]
hero: checks
Wang Ren De: bets $5.75
i dont think there´s a general plan how to play those hands postflop. it depends on many facts like position, oponents tendencies, board structure etc.
+1 for a video with tough overpair spots
I think that if you're not sure what to do, just muck it. It's way better to lose a few bbs when you just have a naked overpair than losing a fair chunk trying not be outplayed. I'm not sure what stakes you play in but in my experience it's rare to find one that will exploit this.
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