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Two Cbet or Check spots

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Two Cbet or Check spots

I'm not sure why, but lately I have been second guessing a lot of these c-bet or check spots that I thought were pretty much no brainers. Curious to see what you guys think.

In both hands villain is a tough aggressive regular.

H1) 100bb 5 handed

Fold, Hero opens A:spade:K:club:T:club:5:spade: from CO to 3bb, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop T:heart:6:heart:4:spade:(6.5bb)

BB checks, Hero?


H2) 120bb Eff 5 handed

Fold, Villain raises CO to 3.5bb, Hero 3bets 9:diamond:8:heart:7:club:5:club: OTB to 12bb, Blinds fold, Villain calls

Flop J:heart:5:diamond:4:spade:(25.5) 108bb in stacks

Villain checks, Hero?

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Dmi3 12 years, 2 months ago
H1)
I may be wrong, but in a vacuum, I would cbet pretty much 100% of the time here hoping to end the hand here - there are a lot of turns that you are not going to like (Q,J,9, hearts) and likely will need to fold when he bets. I feel this is opponent specific as well - if he is firing on most turn if you check behind, I think you could do it occasionally to protect your checking range.

H2) Maybe I'm too straightforward, but I would probably check here - I think there are about 15 turn cards that improve your hand and all of them look innocuous enough to him so that he may lead or call your turn bet. If a high card come, I think you have no option but to fold
Sean Fri 12 years, 2 months ago
In play, I'd probably bet them both, but I'd like to know more about villains. In general, I'd b/c hand one, barreling on 2pr or nfd if checked to and hating life if he calls and then donks the turn, and I'd b/f hand 2.
ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
The hands have similar characteristics (pair + weak draw = some equity, but don't do well against c/r). Hand 1 has more good turns and more playability (any Broadway gives us top two pair or a nut gutshot, any spade gives us the NF draw). Would have to bet-fold if we bet, obviously.

Hand 2 also has outs, but they are a bit dirtier (no top two, no BD flush, and the two pair we make often puts straight draws better than ours on the board). We have a nut gutshot though, and I don't really like bet-folding a hand like this, but I don't think we can stand a c/r. So if I bet, I grumble and bet-fold.

Against passive players betting both hands should be ok. If I was playing in a more defensive mode against an aggressive player, I would check hand 1 and bet-fold hand 2.
Simon Ash 12 years, 2 months ago
OP said the villain was a tough/aggro regular..

Given that, I would check hand 1. He could well be waiting for us to c/bet and (like everyone else said) our hand can't stand that heat. Another advantage is that the turn will pretty much define the hand - we will either hate it or like/love it - and can make a more informed decision then having only committed 3bb to the pot, and stacks are deep..
It's likely villain will bet turn pretty much regardless so we might have to make a marginal decision on the turn, but it won't change from the one we have now and we have one more street of information.
Viktor Luis Larsson 12 years, 2 months ago
In hand 1 I would be bet/folding. Any 6/4 has ~30-40% equity vs your hand and giving freecards is more costly then you think. If called, we also have alot of barreling cards on the turn so Im confident we can play later streets profitably.

In hand 2 I would check back. As its a 3bet pot I think he check/raises you pretty often here with one pair types hands and weaker draws aswell. You can play alot of good turns in position with a smaller pot compared to getting check/raised and problably have to fold alot of equity.

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