Turning SD value on the river into a bluff?
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Turning SD value on the river into a bluff?
SB: $939.56 (Hero)
BB: $676.42
UTG: $483.20
HJ: $185.20
CO: $887.83
BN: $671.38
BB: $676.42
UTG: $483.20
HJ: $185.20
CO: $887.83
BN: $671.38
Preflop
($6.00)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
6
K
K
T
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $12, BN folds, Hero calls $10, BB folds
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $12, BN folds, Hero calls $10, BB folds
vs chico134, tag ABC imo
Flop
($28.00)
6
T
4
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO checks
cc flop
Turn
($28.00)
6
T
4
5
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $20.05,
Hero calls $20.05
std
River
($68.10)
6
T
4
5
4
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $48.97
well well well.. I d say this is the top of my range, not flatting too many straight or fh combs.. everything busted so CC is an Option, so is CR.. whilst writing this I feel I have enough sd value and he has an easy time calling with a straight and from time to time will have 55xx or 54, making a river cr only to fold out a straight which he is not folding very inefficient. Thought about just deleting all, but maybe someone can learn sth from my thoughtprocess and maybe I am wrong ;)
Greetings
RiT
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It's seems a good candidate for c/r bluff:
- Marginal SD value (so we win some pots when Villain checks back)
- We're not thrilled to c/c
- We block boats
- Villain has position vs a weak range and has incentive to valuebet thin
- Our range isn't totally capped, though (assuming you'll check some strong hands as well)
- We don't block any flopped or turned draws Villain could have
The last point is not an argument for raising when he bets (rather c/c), but benefits the EV of a c/r, as he should have more air to bluff.
The hand seems to be in the right strength region, so should we pull the trigger? If this was NLHE, we probably could have found the maximally exploitative river strategy without too much work, but in PLO this is much harder. Every time I see one of these spots, I feel the urge to try, though.
Do it :)
His range is kinda capped too when he checks back flop. Your range is capped in a sense that you won't have many straights, but you can still have lots of boats because I assume you won't always lead the turn with 2p. Is he capable of value betting AA on the river? This is a somewhat huge factor imo, given that we can't expect him to always fold a straight.
making him fold AA/KK>> greater than making him fold straights imo, hes not having straights that often unless youre x/r these flops often, so youre really only losing to naked 75imo which combinatorically takes away from his straight draws hes probably betting bottom gutters, like A23 on the flop.
i do really like the xr here, but thoughts on Xr turn? he have the equity to call if he has 78. i feel our thought process goes from bluff catching/getting to SD w the best hand on turn, to "now lets bluff him" when the only hands that now beat us are AA hands, 4x both of which may not even bet.
on second thoughts thoughts on calling here?
Hey, I'm just starting with PLO so I easily can be wrong, but why u guys think that Xr river is better when Xc (or even Xf)?
I mean, opp is ABC, so he mostly can't have straights or trips. Also he might bet AA otf or don't vbet it twice. So I see him on air or boat range really(any thoughts on where I'm wrong?)
So it looks like we need to choose in Xc or xf area. And since river card is so bad for our perceived range I'd probably call.
Any comments highly appreciated.
Mike
Why cant he have a straight or trips? I think those are the majority of his valuerange. The reason its a nice spot for c/r bluff is villain is capped (he isnt checking the flop with sets), hero isnt since he can easily check/call turn with his sets and is blocking T6 boats. Plus wrt balance, if he ever does take this line with TTxx/66xx, its good to be balanced and this hand is one of the best to do it with
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