Trips weak kicker + weak drawy multiway turn on drawy board
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Trips weak kicker + weak drawy multiway turn on drawy board
PLO100 - 4 players
UTG - 150bb
BU - Hero - 120bb
SB - 150bb
BB - 130bb
Hero Qc 9c Ts 3s
fold, Hero raises to 3.5bb, call, call
Flop (11.5bb) Qs 5s 6d
check, check, check
Turn (11.5bb) Qs 5s 6d Qh
SB bets 5bb, BU calls, Hero raises pot
UTG and SB decent tight regs.
BB big fish
Preflop is a std opr BU with a double suited hand with some connection i guess
Flop
not bad with TP w 2OC + FD T high
Board quite drawy, would need value/protection, but board where i'm going to be c/raised quite often and i wouldn't like it.
SB not supposed to have hit this flop that often, as it's quite low, and I'm blocking a Q and having a FD too
And SB can have any four almost, and can make bad calls oop here (gs, any fd etc...)
So maybe in this case cbetting is correct.
But with medium hand on that drawy flop and multiway, check back seems me better
Turn
Hitting trips, and SB dking 40% pot here.
This board is quite drawy, i ve got some made hand quite weak (if anyone has a Qxxx here, it's high probable that it's better kicker. And my FD is quite low).
SB could be betting some hand for value/protection on this board drawy.
Like ovp (KKxx/AAxx) with or withoud FD/SD (he is quite tight preflop and will often flat those hands oop)
Maybe betting some big combo draws (oesd + nfd, wrap + fd etc...).
But many Qxxx too
BB calls and can have tons of hands here too
Now, I think my raise is not bad but I'm not sure.
It's not likely that SB would have tons of fulls here (Q5xx/Q6xx aren't mass in his defending SB range).
If he got 55xx/66xx (not many in his preflop range too), I still got equity.
If he got AQxx, KQxx, he can play it light against a massive raise from me. c/c if he got 3 overcards and fold river when miss. Or even fold already if AKQ2 or whatever.
And fold his combodraws.
If he gii with 55xx/66xx or AQxx w 3OC, I'm not in a bad shape (except if he got an overFD).
my raise seems me ok but not sure and not sure if sizing are ok (but i don't think my hand is much wider than Qxxx here, so)
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I don't know about the flop (my impression is that you don't get x-raised very often here though). I'm leaning towards a c-bet.
On the turn the lead can mean KK or sometimes even AA. By raising we isolate ourselves against better hands and fold out worse hands. The flushdraw may also be good and the times we're up against a better flush draw, it's less likely to hit since we have 2 of the suit in our hand. That's my 2 cents.
doubt the lead means KK or AA...
Hero BU against SB and BB?
you wrote: Turn (11.5bb) Qs 5s 6d Qh
SB bets 5bb, BU calls, Hero raises pot
SB bets about 40% pot and he's a "decent tight reg".
What do you think of his bet sizing?
What about leading turn oop?
Bluff? (possible as no one bet flop)
FH trying to extract value? (you think unlikely, maybe he has a Q though, maybe he is full and hoping to get raised or keep fd/sd in the hand by only betting 40% pot)
Bluff/NFD trying to set price? (bluff/semi-bluff)
What about the BB "big fish"? Whats he calling with? Fd or Sd? Probably not a Weak Q? Underfull? Unlikely he prob bet flop. So it seems you want to keep BB in the hand.
Raising: Trips with an Ace rarely fold. Maybe a KQ/no draw folds. Better flush draw folds. It would be awful to get RR here especially when an offsuit 9 could make a str for a fish and nuts for you. Whats the plan if you get shipped on? You have 6 outs to nuts. Flush might be good? 3 might be good.
I'd be interested in thoughts on bet size... I think smaller bet is better. Half pot?
Calling: Induces river bluff? Lots of straight cards and some flush cards but on a paired board I think river is checked by these hands. Maybe you can bet river if checked to? Repping FH? The turn half pot bet might be perceived to be FH already.
For me it really comes down to what I put the SB on.
To be brutally honest I go for pot control in these situations way too often. I think its a leak but I've raised/been shipped on/am behind/have to call too many times. Pushing small edges is something I need to look into.
This and betting straight blockers with a pair in my hand. Or naked A with three to a suit on board. Any threads on those subjects? Or not giving off tells when bluffing in a live setting?
(PS I just joined first week of Jan/enjoying the content/really keen to put some hours into studying PLO (Cash and MTT) and NLHE MTT)
Ye that's true that this flop is drawy, but not the flop which is more c/raised (9Tx w FD are far more c/raised)
So cbet here could be good here, as value/protection vs BB who can call loose, and make fold equity vs SB which will fold lots of hands I'm happy to make him (medium hands or bare ovp etc... that wouldn't continue here oop vs 2 players)
still don't know about the check back or cbet, but both have merits.
SB tight reg not making tricky things, so i don't see him betting here with pure bluffs or only draw (NFD without pair, 478x/789x without FD etc..), especially vs 2 players and BB can be doing and having anything
But his range is not nuts too. He can have ovp+FD (KKxx + FD, AAxx + FD... as i said he's playing very tight oop, and a good part of his AAxx would be flatted preflop here).
He could have all Qxxx too
But i don't see many Q6xx/Q5xx in his defending range pre (even if he could have things like AQK5 double suited etc...). 55xx/66xx are unlikely too, and he could fold here vs a raise from me
And SB can have anything (FD, oesd, gs+fd etc...).
My raise is for value/protection/fold equity and everything lol.
this board is so drawy that most rivers are changing the structure of the board, and i don't want to let the two players get it free. Especially BB
I think I'm often ahead here, and have good equity vs hands that would be ahead, especially Qxxx no full (Qxxx w 3 OC without FD).
Maybe some FE vs this, and vs 55xx/66xx, which wouldn't have a simple decision here (and against which I have decent equity too)
"To be brutally honest I go for pot control in these situations way too often. I think its a leak but I've raised/been shipped on/am behind/have to call too many times"
I have the exact opposite leak lol.
In average situations like this, pushing a little too much with speculative outs
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