trash hand. IP vs reg's 3bet
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trash hand. IP vs reg's 3bet
SB: $70.65
BB: $60.43
UTG: $82.10
HJ: $30.12
CO: $253.82
UTG calls $0.50, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB raises to $7.50, UTG folds, Hero calls $5.25
isolate is vs loose-passive utg.
bb - reg. 23\16. 3b from bb 7.5
cbet 3b pot 62%. wtsd 30. big sample
actually I consider him to be a good at postflop and his 3b range isnt wide as well, so probably fold to 3b is not awful, right? or we should call suck rubbish IP always?
the point is - my fold to 3bet is ~30% IP (last 17k hands) and I feel like its easely exploitable by good regs...
anyway. the flop plan is simple - bet-calling. same for turn. he could decide to stick around w\ some bad OP for 1 street. dont see much sense in betting bigger(like pot) OTT and trying to polarize out range. I even think smaller bet has slightly more FE here.
any thoughts?
mb isolate is too loose, but utg looked super appropriate for this move and blind ain't loose at all
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I have a few thoughts which I'll put chronologically as they relate to the hand:
1) This is a really light isolation. Too light imo. I'm very pro trying to make this sort of play against loose/passive limpers, but your hand is REALLY weak - disconnected, low cards etc. etc. I would prefer you wait until you have a little more to back up what is effectively a steal because even loose/passives will flop enough that it's nice to sometimes make a hand which you won't really do with this. Also, you can get called/3-bet by the blinds which sucks. A lot.
2) Against a good 3-bet range, this hand will be really hard to play in a 3-bet pot even given position. Whether you can defend profitably I'm not sure (I wouldn't have opened this to begin with so have no experience of these spots), but it wouldn't shock me if defending was pretty terrible - just look at how you've ginned a flop and yet if the money goes in, you gotta wonder how good you'll really be (you could be f***ing crushed as well).
3) In general, I wouldn't worry about your fold to 3-bet stat being high. I think that may be lower than mine, although IP I'm not sure (in general, I fold quite a lot though, especially OOP). I'm fully aware this is really exploitable, the thing is, people don't exploit it. Even good regs aren't just gonna start 3-betting their blinds a crap ton 'cas you fold a lot, and if they do, you'll simply tighten up and 4-bet more (although imo you need to tighten up anyways, 'cas if you're opening this, people need to 3-bet you a lot for value).
4) With him checking to you, I think we need to be aggressive and just hope to blow him off w/e he holds. Having defended, we're going with it on this board, but wouldn't mind AT ALL if he just tossed his hand away. To max my fold equity/give myself credibility/fit within my rarely using the pot button strategy/allow myself to jam any turn card, I would bet about $13.50 OTF which would leave me $39.43 OTT into a pot of $43.25 which is a nice shove.
thanks, explanation is clear and evident as usual. helped a lot
I 100% agree with Tom.
how it is really / or easely exploitable to fold 3bet 30%? any math?
Hi, I did no math. just following that absolute majority of regs at pl25\pl50 ain't folding even 15-20% and also some paranoiac feelings that "this dude going crazy vs me IP". basically, what Tom said should be way more correct: a) its tough to "exploit" it, especially OOP b) 30% probably not that much
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