To check,to bet/call or to bet/fold? That is the question (5/10 PLO Apotheosis)

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To check,to bet/call or to bet/fold? That is the question (5/10 PLO Apotheosis)

BB: GramGrubo: $2405.15
HJ: TiltMeBig: $900
CO: NATZZ: $1122
BN: Apotheosis92: $5394.09
SB: I_Mr_U_Bean: $620.60
Preflop ($15.00) (5 Players)
Apotheosis92 was dealt 5 4 A Q
TiltMeBig folds, NATZZ folds, Apotheosis92 raises to $25, I_Mr_U_Bean calls $20, GramGrubo folds
Flop ($60.00) 6 Q 7 (2 Players)
I_Mr_U_Bean checks, Apotheosis92 bets $42.97, I_Mr_U_Bean calls $42.97
Turn ($145.94) 6 Q 7 J (2 Players)
I_Mr_U_Bean checks, Apotheosis92 checks
River ($145.94) 6 Q 7 J 9 (2 Players)
I_Mr_U_Bean bets $80, Apotheosis92 folds
Final Pot
I_Mr_U_Bean wins $142.94

Mostly unsure about the turn... Feels like bet/calling is pretty dubious and bet/folding is gross. That being said, getting folds is quite nice and he can certainly fold a reasonable chunk of equity without knowing it.

Are we in favor of betting or checking back turn? If we bet are we bet/calling or bet/folding?


Villain is a reg, can provide other reads if necessary just not exactly sure what info people want

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Peter Jennings 10 years, 10 months ago

I think I prefer bet/folding turn with the intention of bluffing on a lot of rivers.

Almost want to check this back on the flop but don't think there's enough good turns that we will be able to continue on against a bet, sort of the same thing seems to be happening on the turn where if we check back we are just conceding the pot really often since we can't call most rivers.

Maybe prefer to fold or limp the button with this.


bingerminn 10 years, 9 months ago

I think we should bet/fold the turn. when he check raises it is usually QJ+ which crushes us. we are ahead of a lot of his calling range (worse queens with a draw, J+ draw, any pair + draw).

Janne Juutilainen 10 years, 9 months ago

Bet/folding turn would be my choice as well, even though its a bit gross to fold, but cant expect to be in good shape when raised here. Also , like you said, he might be folding reasonable amount of equity and if he calls i think rivers play pretty easy for us. Would prefer checking back the flop more than checking back the turn actually. 

Apoth 10 years, 9 months ago

PokerStars Hand #116059477947:  Omaha Pot Limit ($5/$10 USD) - 2014/05/11 20:57:13 ET

Table 'Jablunka II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button

Seat 1: GramGrubo ($2405.15 in chips) 

Seat 2: TiltMeBig ($900 in chips) 

Seat 4: NATZZ ($1122 in chips) 

Seat 5: Apotheosis92 ($5394.09 in chips) 

Seat 6: I_Mr_U_Bean ($620.60 in chips) 

I_Mr_U_Bean: posts small blind $5

GramGrubo: posts big blind $10

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Apotheosis92 [5c 4s Ah Qd]

TiltMeBig: folds 

NATZZ: folds 

Apotheosis92: raises $15 to $25

I_Mr_U_Bean: calls $20

GramGrubo: folds 

*** FLOP *** [6d Qs 7c]

I_Mr_U_Bean: checks 

Apotheosis92: bets $42.97

I_Mr_U_Bean: calls $42.97

*** TURN *** [6d Qs 7c] [Jh]

I_Mr_U_Bean: checks 

Apotheosis92: checks 

*** RIVER *** [6d Qs 7c Jh] [9d]

I_Mr_U_Bean: bets $80

Apotheosis92: folds 

Uncalled bet ($80) returned to I_Mr_U_Bean

I_Mr_U_Bean collected $142.94 from pot

I_Mr_U_Bean: doesn't show hand 

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $145.94 | Rake $3 

Board [6d Qs 7c Jh 9d]

Seat 1: GramGrubo (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 2: TiltMeBig folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: NATZZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: Apotheosis92 (button) folded on the River

Seat 6: I_Mr_U_Bean (small blind) collected ($142.94)


sted9000 10 years, 9 months ago

Looking at the turn. BTW are we all in agreement that the turn in PLO is by far the most difficult to play?

I assumed SB flatting range = $FI30!$3b12o

Flop flatting range = AA,KK,Q,(6,7):(43+54+),54+,76+

Flop raising range = Q7+,854+,987,6+:432+,(KK+):(54+,43+)

http://hh.pokerjuice.com/report_b5787619-94e2-40d8-b84c-c57db9788963

What this tells us? I think it argues for a bet fold for a few reasons

- he doesn't have 2p+ all that often, so we won't get shoved on too often

- even the bottom chunk of his range has a lot of equity vs our hand and it would be awesome to get those hands to fold

I think that vs the most aggressive players I think bet-folding this turn would be a mistake though

Teddy 10 years, 9 months ago

Think both flop check and bet are good. They are close. Checking some Q7xx back on the turn if you want to protect your check range, they are more comfortable on the river and can valuebet less rivers when called on the turn than AQ54.

Gooseonthebus 10 years, 9 months ago

I don't like checking back flop here to be honest. Think our hand is too strong. I mean we can probably bet/call flop and take it from there anyway no (if we see worst case scenario being us faced with a check raise). Only point of interest in the hand is whether to barrel turn and given that we can get called by worse, have a ton of equity vs a lot of stuff that calls turn with us beat (i.e bare 76xx and stuff) and we don't mind getting folds, it seems like it's a pretty good spot to barrel turn. 

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