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Three bet pot with a connected double suited hand where I may have seen too many cards.

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Three bet pot with a connected double suited hand where I may have seen too many cards.

BN: $107.71
SB: $106.44
BB: $108.92
UTG: $36
HJ: $194.54
CO: $230.84
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt T 9 8 6
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises $2.00 to $3.00, BN folds, SB raises $7.00 to $10.00, Hero calls $9.00, CO calls $7.00
Flop ($26.50) 5 9 5 (3 Players)
SB bets $16.00, Hero calls $16.00, CO folds
Turn ($58.50) 5 9 5 2 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River ($58.50) 5 9 5 2 9 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $35.00
I think turn and river are standard here. If I bet the turn it's as a bluff and I am repping super thin. River I obviously have the best hand a bunch and it's a pretty standard vbet.

I am curious about preflop or flop, I have no idea what is the best play in either of those spots. I wish I had better reads, but I am new to PLO so don't have that much history with anyone and also don't necessarily know what to glean from the limited information I have.

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gabe p 12 years, 5 months ago
im not so sure river is a bet. also i would fold flop a bunch unless you were planning on betting that turn and shoving river to fold out overpair.

i dont think betting turn is repping SUPER thin, as long as you follow it up with river shove. but mostly im just folding flop
Phil Galfond 12 years, 5 months ago
Agreed with Gabe. River is a little thin. Very hard for you to have air.

Preflop the call is okay, as is a 4bet. It depends on stats. Folding isn't out of the question, though it would be if your hand was 2 pips higher (QJT8).

If SB has a wide 3b range and/or a large fold to 4b stat, rip it. You don't mind this pot HU anyways, as flops get very tricky when you flop medium made hand + medium draw and you're faced with a cbet w/ the CO behind you.

On the flop, I'd usually fold. If I don't fold, it's because I'm going to rep a slowplay of some kind, pretty much, as well as any of the straight cards that don't actually give you a straight.

I'd bet the turn, and pretty big. He can fold AA/KK , you protect against AKJT type hands, and you save yourself from being bluffed. If you're called by AA, you have 6 outs + bluff cards/equity on river.
jloo87 12 years, 3 months ago
i actually find it interesting that you would rather fold QJT8 than 689T. Isn't having higher cards better since we flop better 2ps, draws etc. Is this only because its a 3bet from the SB and not from the btn where SBs range excludes the lower rundowns that a button would have.
Sam Lang 12 years, 3 months ago
depends on villains 3b tendencies. If they 3b high cards like aa** akq* tjqk we can often be dominated/have are outs removed whereas 689t will always be live. I think some people have this sort of semi unbalanced 3bing range at these stakes, where they 3b too many high card orientated hands. we are doing better with 689t multiway than 8tjq against this sort of range makeup. HU I think 8tjq may have more value. Also in the chance that CO 4bs, 689t tends to do better multiway vs aa/high card comboes.

6c8c9sts 34.17%
5% 32.90%
5% 32.93%

8stsjcqc 31.72%
5% 34.18%
5% 34.09%

If CO opens 30% and sb 3b 5%

6s8s9ctc 32.52%
30% 26.36%
5% 41.12%

8stsjcqc 31.52%
30% 26.24%
5% 42.24%

However this is just top 5% of absoloute hands. In reality, people don't 3b these hands and balance with run downs/some lower cards, so against a well balanced 3bing range, the value 8tjqds has vs lower rundowns, and since 689t can be dominated by 89tj type hands, I would typically prefer 8tjqds in this spot, unless like I say the SB has a somewhat tight/unbalanced 3bing range, which is high card heavy, couple with a somewhat tight CO opener I think 689t plays better.
Sean Lefort 12 years, 5 months ago
I'd usually fold this flop. As played I'd definitely bet turn. You will have a bunch of 5x and vvv few bluffs other than 678 or a pair you're turning into a bluff. So you're range definitely justifies having a betting range and this hand is right there at the bottom of it, a clear bet/fold methinks. As for the river, I don't think I bet. He just ends up calling with flushes and folding most everything else. If I do bet, it's because it's probably slight -EV but maybe +EV long-term in not letting my opponent know how wide I float flops.. O_o
Jonathan Davis 12 years, 3 months ago
Agree with Phil, pre could be good or definitely -EV. Depends completely on the stealing range of the CO, how wide it is as well as how wide the SB's 3 bet % is. Against some I really like a 4 bet especially if it generates preflop fold equity, our hand plays great vs a 5 betting range from either player and we generally play a pot HU with some FE post where as if we flat we have worst relative position and no FE where our hand does not play the best MW especially if CO's range is somewhat wide.
jloo87 12 years, 3 months ago
if we fold this on the flop, won't our calling range on the flop be too strong? I actually think this is a mandatory call just so villain can't always ck/f turn when called in this situation.

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