super-passive line OOP w\aces (+combodraw)

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super-passive line OOP w\aces (+combodraw)

UTG: $101.50
HJ: $165.55
CO: $123.77
BN: $92.73
SB: $106.56 (Hero)
BB: $287.57
BTN 42\8 wtsd 27
HJ 24\15 (3k+sample) wtsd 19% cbet multyway ~40%
CO 26\21 aggro reg. plays pl100.
cold call (COvsHJ)=10%. bet vs missed 37%(overall)
47\30\26 - aggr freq.
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 2 A 4 A
UTG folds, HJ raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, BN calls $3.50, Hero calls $3, BB folds
Flop ($15.00) 3 T 5 (4 Players)
Hero checks, HJ checks, CO bets $10.74, BN folds, Hero calls $10.74, HJ folds
Turn ($36.48) 3 T 5 6 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks
River ($36.48) 3 T 5 6 4 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $26.50

pre call, I guess is decent\standard.

its no-brainer shove OTF vs weak player, but we'll be pretty much face up vs reg(s) - so I decided to get tricky(add some NFD combos in c/c range). certainly not my standart play.

Turn. Do you think he has some TwoPair+ here in his check back range? My first thought was 'ok, he's now capped himself and has some K-high FD+T'


ok to always raise\gii here otf?

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superT 10 years, 6 months ago

On the flop you're flipping vs. top set so getting it in obviously can't be bad. However I think he very rarely has a hand good enough for stacking off (especially since it's 4way to the flop). Most of his bet/folding hands only have around 20% equity so protection is not a huge concern. I think I prefer calling otf to give him a chance to put more money in bad by either bluffing or making the second best hand.

OTT I think I like a check/push. I think he can call us with worse (2pair/set/strong combo draw), his bet/folds probably have somewhat decent equity against us (hearts, bigger straight draws), and there are plenty of rivers that are kind of iffy to play OOP.

OTR it's hard to see value in leading, so I check/call. I don't think he has a ton of higher straights that weren't good enough to barrel turn, whereas he should have plenty of random stuff that gave up OTT. He probably doesn't put us on that many straights either, especially if he expects us to lead the bigger straights at least some of the time. Our range looks like (and is, too?) mostly Txxx/overpair/2pair type of stuff that he might try to steal the pot from on a scary looking runout.

Pokergirlcruz 10 years, 6 months ago

Am I wrong to think that you should have 3bet pre? 

With 3 players already in the pot pre, I think it would be better to 3bet and hopefully isolate the btn with suited AAxx and marginal side cards but connected. And if everyone calls, easy jam on the flop that you have. With AAxx and fd to the nuts and a sd, I wouldn't slow play that flop. Bet about 1/2-2/3 psb and hope someone reraises so we can jam that flop.

As played I think lack of aggression on the flop took the air out of this hand ;). I'd c/c the river. 

I'm not a fan of slow play or fps ;).


spassewr 10 years, 6 months ago
I dunno how you play, but i def do not think thats its face up to x-r an OP+NFD+wrap. if you had T5 then there is perhaps an argument to just call bc our hand will be face up.

I like raising flop, a big part of their calling range will be lower fds which is great. If they have a strong made hand and rr ai then were still ahead or flipping.

If there was ever a fd that u wanna xr w, this would be it.

As played, donking turn is an option if villain is more cally than aggro on a card like this (i expect him to check back most 1pair+draw). If in doubt id just check turn as its bad for your calling range so its nice to add some balance if the "EV" of checking and donking in your eyes are similar.

AP otr, decent spot to xc. Decent bluff card for him, your range looks like weak 2p or 1p. Unfortunately a lot of players at these stakes never bluff here really and he doesnt have a ton of stuff that needs to bluff perhaps dep on his flop range.

Either way, im not xf river


arukidinme 10 years, 6 months ago

Think we need to donk this hand multiway here, we can get raised by a bunch of hands that we have crushed.  Also we can not count on the initial raiser to cbet since we are four handed.

Pre I think a call is decent, problem with this hand is that we will be betting into 3 players on the flop with a hand that is going to flop mostly over pairs, maybe with a FD.

superT 10 years, 6 months ago
Yeah looking back I like leading the flop a lot. In a multiway pot the flop will probably check through too often, and people aren't too likely to go crazy bluffing or valuebetting thin over multiple streets (esp. at low stakes). I think a huge majority of the hands that people continue with will only want to put in one bet on the flop, so might as well make sure that one goes in.
themightyjim 10 years, 6 months ago

Please please please raise the flop.  He's never folding two pair (and we're a fave), he's never folding Tx with FD (we're a huge fave), he's never folding an overpaid plus FD (again huge fave), and he may peel or stack wraps or txxx or over pairs.  You're losing so much value by calling the flop because worse hands will continue and your outs to improve if you're behind are all visible (meaning less action).  Really don't like the flop call.

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