Such as terrible play with AA

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Such as terrible play with AA

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: dzoint: $70.83 (Hero)
SB: Astro Stu: $377.55
BB: WascllyWabit: $49.00
UTG: Simonvk: $56.93
MP: smokeyflat: $192.95
CO: cAAntStop: $50.25
Preflop ($0.75) dzoint is BN with A 2 A K
3 folds, dzoint raises to $1.75, Astro Stu raises to $5.75, WascllyWabit folds, dzoint calls $4.00
Flop ($12.00) 3 8 5
Astro Stu bets $8.25, dzoint calls $8.25
Turn ($28.50) 3 8 5 4
Astro Stu checks, dzoint checks
River ($28.50) 3 8 5 4 K
Astro Stu checks, dzoint bets $12.25, Astro Stu raises to $63.97, dzoint calls $44.58 and is all in
Final Pot Astro Stu wins and shows a straight, Four to Eight.
Astro Stu wins $139.66
Rake is $2.50

How you guys would play this hand?
I should just fold river?

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MajinVeta 9 years, 2 months ago

I think you just need to 4bet this preflop. You're just pushing a lot of equity, and these aces should be able to realize a lot of equity, especially while being ip. I'd only really flat very unconnected aces here. As played, I think you need to call vs the jam as you're probably at the top of your range. Card removal is obviously important too, but other than sets with a 6 for a side card, you're not going to have many good blockers here. Also, regarding the title of your thread: just because you lost doesn't mean you played aa terrible ;).

ekeivs 9 years, 2 months ago

Reason why I didn't 4bet preflop was because effective stack was about 140bb.
I think if I 4bet then villain can play against my 4betting range perfectly.

Gambling_Poet 9 years, 2 months ago

My reason for not 4betting preflop would be if I had a good read on villains postflop tendencies and therefore prefer to play IP with a higher SPR.
As played: Do you check back the turn to throw him off the trail or because you are worried of the nutz? I would just bet here myself, he can still have worse hands to call and hands with EQ that fold.
As played Im not sure about the river. I am at PLO10 where a river raise is the nutz so often that you dont even have to think about it, but here I can see leveling myself into call, thinking that since we checked back the turn, villain won't put us on the straight but rather a set and try to get us off by jamming.

MajinVeta 9 years, 2 months ago

"My reason for not 4betting preflop would be if I had a good read on villains postflop tendencies and therefore prefer to play IP with a higher SPR. "

By that logic, shouldn't you just limp the button and play with the highest spr possible ;)? You're pushing around 12% equity pre with aces that will play fine postflop. Pushing equity is just really important, imo.

I think it's close between betting and checking turn(maybe you can do both at some frequency?). I really think you need to call vs the jam most of the time, as played. You're just really high up in your range and it's hard to have many value hands here that really have good blockers(a 6 would be nice as it blocks both straights). If you don't defend here at all, villain can just check-jam everything and steal the whole pot.

Roberto 9 years, 2 months ago

I would always 4b pre. You're guaranteed to push equity and give him the chance to 5b. 1,4 SPR is not bad with these aces.

But if I took this line I would strongly consider raising the flop planning on getting it in. Especially if you think he's viewing you as capable of attacking boards where you have an advantage, at least in terms of 2 pair plus hands. You probably have 3 times as many of those as him here. He can easily not believe you and jam overpairs, straightdraw and pair+gutshot type of hands. As played I'm calling as well even though it might be a leak in these games.

Kyyberi 9 years, 2 months ago

4bettin creates SPR around 1,5 for the flop. That is the borderline IF opponent has premium ace-cracking hand he plays perfectly on the flop. If his range contains any Axxx or pairs, your EV is positive.

So even with premium cracker, your opponent can't exploit you. With SPR 1,5 it's just EV0 flip for you. By just calling you create a problematic postflop which can easily lead to -EV line. 140bb deep I would 4bet this.

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