Standard? Tough river decision. New to PLO fold pre?

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Standard? Tough river decision. New to PLO fold pre?

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: cirtaaap: $153.14
SB: nutino: $78.48
BB: ZtKurag: $56.69
UTG: Strausenmake: $90.10
MP: alpehatte200: $52.36
CO: ScoopKid: $49.25 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.75) ScoopKid is CO with T 2 Q Q
Strausenmake folds, alpehatte200 raises to $1.75, ScoopKid calls $1.75, cirtaaap folds, nutino calls $1.50, ZtKurag folds
Flop ($5.75) J 3 A
nutino checks, alpehatte200 bets $5.46, ScoopKid calls $5.46, nutino folds
Turn ($16.67) J 3 A Q
alpehatte200 checks, ScoopKid bets $11.40, alpehatte200 calls $11.40
River ($39.47) J 3 A Q A
alpehatte200 bets $33.75 and is all in, ScoopKid calls $30.64 and is all in
Final Pot alpehatte200 wins and shows a full house, Aces full of Jacks.
ScoopKid lost and shows a full house, Queens full of Aces.
alpehatte200 wins $98.75
Rake is $2.00

Thanks for reading- standard all the way through? What do you consider on the river here when making this call/fold?

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gymrat8168 7 years, 8 months ago

As much as it sucks to fold a boat I think the river is a fold. I don't see him calling the turn with less then 2 pair on that board and he wouldn't be jamming the straight or bare trips on that river. Unless you have a read that he is a total maniac I just don't think the under full is ever good here. I am fairly new to PLO so I am curious what some other experienced players have to say.

Cory Mikesell 7 years, 8 months ago

I definitely fold preflop based on the work I've done. The flop actually seems close to a fold given that your FD is to the second nuts, you're up against MP who is betting 3 ways and who should have AA/AJ fairly often. SB should also have a fairly tight range (though that might not be the case at these stakes) and getting overcalled by KK:dd is unfortunate.

MidnightBacon 7 years, 7 months ago

Things to consider on the river decision. The price is 30 to win 70. With the line taken how many bluffs does your villain have + how many value hands does he have that you beat, weighed against how often his range has aces full on this river as played.

He's far more likely put you on a broadway heavy range when you bet the turn and less so a set of queens, so conceivably he could value shove JJ on the river, but that's the only value hand you could be ahead of. Overall him betting the flop, check calling when the turn straightens out, and then leading the river when the board pairs is gonna be value heavy, especially at lower stakes, and his value range will be pretty heavy towards aces full. Barring history with the opponent, I lean towards a fold here. You're also blocking 2 high diamonds, which makes his bet far less likely to be a missed diamond draw.

The argument for calling is that you block AQ pretty hard and your hand is under rept because your turn bet will have the villain thinking you're range is broadway heavy, making the A on the river look bad for your range and attractive to bluff.

But the queens full here is mostly a strong bluff-catcher, and I think you opponent is value heavy enough on this board with his line to find a fold.

PLOtz 7 years, 7 months ago

I'd have probably called pre, but maybe i'm leaking. It cant be too bad if villaiins in the blinds are loose passive. anyway, i agree with restacks about the flop. think it's close. The way I see it you'l have a hard time getting enough value when you hit flush because villain will shut down on 3rd diamond if AA/AJ so then you got just gutshot and QQ and if he keeps betting he prob got nut flush then you'l loose a fair amount of chips. turn seems alright and river a fold, just don't see much he could have you got beat there.

mfutoma 7 years, 7 months ago

Preflop I usually fold, but if the player pool tends to call instead of 3bet, you can probably get away with a call.

On the flop I would call if we closed the action. Unfortunately with the SB still active I would fold here, as if he calls he could easily be covering our draws, and if he raises we've just made the hand 11 BB more expensive.

Turn play is good, river is very close. Against an unknown on the weak sites I play on, I call river here; against a reg I fold. You need something like 30% equity and he could have JJ, KKxx betting the turn with a draw using his blockers, or some spaz hand. I've seen enough players spaz wildly in PLO that I think calling against an unknown is OK unless you're on a tougher site.

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