sb-vs-bb. tp+gutter vs raise
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sb-vs-bb. tp+gutter vs raise
UTG: $23.10
HJ: $25
CO: $21.60
BN: $20.80
SB: $30.02 (Hero)
BB: $25
HJ: $25
CO: $21.60
BN: $20.80
SB: $30.02 (Hero)
BB: $25
Preflop
($0.35)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
9
T
9
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50
Flop
($1.60)
8
Q
3
(2 Players)
Hero bets $1,
BB raises to $3.60,
Hero calls $2.60
Turn
($8.80)
8
Q
3
T
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BB bets $6.20
villain reg, but at the moment stats didn't appeared for his...
could we balance OTF with c/c vs reg, as out cbet on dry bord is highly exploitable here (its like I really care about it at pl25, but if reg gonna bluff raise your cbet - its 80% goin to be a dry bord - which is hard to continue on w\o 2pair+). what is turn decision should be vs unknown?
* OTT is instabet
and yeap, default decision for me is probably to fold a flop
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I always used to check/jam here with top 2 and the straight blockers but lately I just get shown 88 every time (but I'm running super bad and it's messing with my head lately). Would love to hear other thoughts, but my standard is to check/jam -- you at least have 8 likely good outs if you're behind.
Well, given the flop action, and that players usually have ridiculously strong ranges for raising, I think check-jamming the turn is not going to work out too well.
I think the flop is a pretty clear muck to the raise. I just don't see it playing out well.
For whatever my inexperienced opinion is worth (and with no knowledge of how the game has been going), I would probably tend to call the turn and see what happens on the river. This is because I think that if I'm the BB, I am thinking that a pretty decent percentage of the time, SB might just be trying to take my BB--and the very standard-looking c-bet would simply reinforce that suspicion. So, given that, and given the extremely dry board, if I'm the BB, my plan is to raise that flop c-bet and lead the turn (which villain did, with an instabet on the turn).
Switching back to hero's side of the hand, if I flat the flop raise and call the turn, I'm feeling pretty comfortable--flatting the flop (as opposed to 3-betting) and calling the turn tells the villain I'm pretty strong, I think, and the river is really easy to play--I'm calling almost anything, putting in a 1/2-pot bet if checked to me, and folding if he check-raises.
Well... this assumes a SBvsBB aggro dynamic that seems reasonable to expect in theory. In higher stakes games I also think you see it more often in practice, but at 25PLO it's just not something I see in general. It's very easy to overthink these spots instead of just taking V's bets and raises at face value.
I know, the problem that I'm faced with a lot at $100 and below is that the raising ranges of unknowns and regs are heavily made hand biased and often quite strong. It just feels so weak/exploitable to always be folding to raises in spots like this, but you're probably right about the flop play. As for the turn, all I can say is that I tend to get... optimistic? in blind on blind play and I think it's costing me money. :(
Ya, I know. I used to overthink these spots myself. It just looks like a spot where so many hands should raise, but when I looked at what people are actually raising with... I had to change my strategy. (and I'm doing way better because of it) In this spot, Q8 is likely to be the bottom of V's raising range. Plus, we're blocking the possible draws, so it's even more likely that he's raising with a made hand. Even if we lucked out against Q8 specifically in this hand, it's still the bottom of his raising range and we're still not doing well against Q8 on the flop.
The other adjustment I made was to pay very close attention to what players are raising with, and make careful notes on players who bluff or semi-bluff raise a lot. Against some opponents I'd totally continue with Qd3dxx on the flop and jam the turn. But it's got to be very player specific.
And obviously, the final adjustment is to bluff raise as the BB in this spot myself ;-) (sometimes)
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