Quite common spot, facing ugly river card ?

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Quite common spot, facing ugly river card ?

Hello guys, that's my first post here (will try to participate more often in the future :)), the site looks awesome so far thanks to Phil & his cru again, hopefully you will be able to keep it up :) Wanted to discuss the hand, which recently was played in 25/50 PLO game in PS, quite a standard situation, however I found that I probably missplayed it a bit so decided to ask your opinion, here we go :

PokerStars Hand #95227994601: Omaha Pot Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2013/03/08 23:47:47 EET [2013/03/08 16:47:47 ET]
Table 'Botein II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Theo J ($7510.88 in chips)
Seat 2: ChanceCU ($4893.92 in chips)
Seat 4: glosik ($10306.93 in chips)
Seat 5: 0Human0 ($13577 in chips)
Seat 6: Domce ($8615.01 in chips)
0Human0: posts small blind $25
Domce: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Domce [3d As Ad 5h]
Theo J: folds
ChanceCU: folds
glosik: raises $75 to $125
0Human0: folds
Domce: calls $75
*** FLOP *** [Js 8s 5c]
Domce: checks
glosik: bets $150
Domce: raises $400 to $550
glosik: calls $400
*** TURN *** [Js 8s 5c] [Ah]
Domce: bets $1150
glosik: calls $1150
*** RIVER ***

So what i wanted discuss is our decision on seperate ugly river for us (I assume my line on previous street was quite good, opposite opinions are welcome), the opponent is regular, who is not playing back too much, however is a decent thinking player. It's quite easy to play the river if it blanks, pairs up or we hit a spade, however on what ugly cards we can actually check call the river bet (leading small & calling/folding is also an option of course) from opponent assuming he is putting us on a set or Ahigh flush combo, which we basically represent. The rivers, which i would like to discuss are K,Q,T,9,7,6,4.

My personal opinion is that it is most likely that 7 & Q are the worst cards in the deck and i am leaning towards chech/folding on those cards as we have As in our hand it's even more likely that his combo consists T9, but what if didn't have As? 4 is a check call in my opinion, as most combos consisting 76 he is folding on the turn. Looking forward to your replies.

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Zachary Freeman 12 years ago
I think his range is vastly skewed towards draws. The hands that aren't draws will be sufficiently strong such that he won't turn them into bluffs.
Accordingly I would check every river you listed. I agree I would c/f 7o and Qo. The other wrap completing rivers you just have to c/decide based on whether you think he will bluff too often or too little.
As an aside, on non wrap completing spades I would c/r allowing him to bluff missed wraps and to maximize FE vs lower flushes. I think you can credibly rep the NF and get his wrap+FD hands to fold river.
On wrap completing spades I would bet to fold out str8s which would just check back river.

Domce 12 years ago
Thanks for your reply I like your line, however got a question regarding one part don't you think that c/r on non wrap completing spades with our actual hand doesn't work that well as I noticed in recent tendencies people tend to call off raises way more often as they started to think I've to call vs his range as he might have A blocker. With actual flush it's a decent move of course.
Leo Nordin 11 years, 11 months ago
Im gona complete Zachary's thoughts a little. Like his plan, its the same way i go, however - I thinks its important to use our blocker different on different spades.

Ex. On the spades that complete the wrap the wrap he feels like having QsTs9s7s i would prob just pott it since he is going to checkback his str8 there. On the low spades i would c/r giving him a chance to bluff his missed wraps and b/f (hopefully) his flushes.

When it comes to clearcut VBs i would prob b/decide a K,6,4, bet the obv 8,5,3,2 but on a J i would go for a c/r. Feels like this is a spot where we will get to the river with alot of Axxx spade hands and we are forced to check on a J, if he betts i def wanna be able to c/r bluff here when it fits. Kind of feels like a spot where he has many jacks!
opn_mindet 11 years, 11 months ago
Is this c/r flop a standart play for you guys on flop - i guess just cause you have the blocker As and a hand that is tough to c/c (i am assuming) i´d be curious to hear whats your (bluffing) plan for turn is (besides spades)? Thanks.

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