Queens UTG vs a lag reg.
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erdian
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Queens UTG vs a lag reg.
5-5-10 game with UTG making blind raise 30.
Hero UTG+1 QQ68ds 1400 stack
BTN Laggy but good online regular. +10k
Hero limps, cutoff call, BTN pots to 180, everybody folds to Hero who pots.
Okay, I suppose this is a game flow question, BTN is stuck, but he is a good capable player just EXTREMLY
aggro this session. He knows I am a NIT but I assume that if there is one place he will raise more then usual it should be on the BTN, dont forget that there is MORE deadmoney in the middle then usual...
My limping range here consists off Nutty limp-raise hands or good multiway hands that I would to see a cheap flop with.
Do you like my play based on those factors and stack depth? Is this purely a range question? Like if he plays 50%+ on btn this is an auto 3-bet by me? Or could be worth to flat and hope that the limper comes along aswell?
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In reality this already is a 3-bet pot and your hand is too weak to 4-bet OOP possibly against two opponents. BTN or even other limper may still have very strong hand behind you and the truth is that you just have to fold against 5-bet. To be honest its questionable should you even call here, your hand has very few nut possibilities, you are OOP, you pretty much need to flop a set. Its close. Just take a "cheap" flop and see where it gets you.
I wouldnt limp reraise pre. If I´ play for a limp, my plan was to call and setmine basically. Now you have to GII with any flusdraw and dry boards with undercards.
So you guys assume an aggresive player in position dont want to put preassure on when there is more deadmoney then usual?
The reason I am thinking this is a bit difficult is because in low spr spots where people play wide ranges ds queens are very good against theso types off cards... I might be totally off here since I ran into aces, but he might aswell have a hand like JT9xs and then its a crushing lead for me...?
Of course he wants to put some pressure on you but I assume he would do it with better hands than J109xs. I would do it with all the good double-suited rundowns, AAxx, KKxx combos, maybe with some good QQAx combos aso. Your hand is super vulnerable. Even if he doesn`t have aces there are too many scary boards for you to continue OOP. All the high card flops are scary, all the middle runouts are kind of scary, even low rundowns arent that safe and ofc theres always possibility that maybe he slowplayed AA or KK.
Your hand is ok to just raise from CO, BTN or maybe 3-bet SB v BB.
OK, ty for your view off point :).
Because of the blind raise we are pretty much UTG in a 5-5-10-30 game. While our hand is pretty strong our position is terrible; if this hand is playable here it is probably the worst hand that can be played.
Well something like JJ9Tds should be quite playabel :)
JJ9T ds is a significantly better hand than QQ86 ds.
I think that depens on stack depth and what range villian can have. In all in situations QQ is better :P
Actually you are wrong, QQ is not automatically better in all in situations, it depends on how wide your opponents range is. JJT9 ds has more equity vs a narrow 5% range whereas QQ86 ds has more equity vs a wider 10% range. So even in all in situations JJT9 ds is sometimes better. But we are not talking about any one situation, we are talking about all situations in the aggregate. But I would like to revise my statement, JJT9 ds is slightly better than QQ86 ds, not significantly better.
I play live.... people call 3/4-bets with 50% ranges :D. Queens are ALOT better in those spots!
The difference is pretty negligible actually.
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If he's folding KKxx and Axxx your play is probably printing money. If he's not then it might better to flat. A few questions:
1) Does he have an overlimp range or is he raising every hand he is playing?
2) Do you think he is less likely to raise when you are 47bb effective instead of 140bb?
3) Is he less likely to raise when you limp because you limp raise often?
I think he will fold KKxx if I am the only one left after I raised,
So the 50% PFR seems really high. You're probably not giving him enough credit to realize a big portion of your hands limp raise. If he has raised your limps a lot he probably has hands that play fine vs an AA heavy limp raise.
But, going with 50%, 2.5% is AA, 2.5% is KK, and the other 45% you're gii really good. Assuming you make it 600 and gii on any flop with SPR under 2/3, and he usually joins, this seems like a slam dunk limp raise.
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