Interesting spot. SPR on the flop is a bit over 6, we're 3way in position against both players. The nice thing about calling here is that it is massively profitable regardless of what range assumptions we make for BB, where raising can be anything from massively profitable to marginally profitable. That's at least what my intuition is telling me.

Against AA/KK with a flushdraw you have 40% equity, against made hands QJ+ you have 45% and against dominating draws you can be crushed: you only have 28% vs AKTcc. I know those are some pretty strong hands and he's clearly cbetting wider but if he has dry AA/KK I don't think he's gonna bet/call into two players here, so by raising we get him to fold those hands. However, we have about 70%(!) equity against a range of (AA!cc,KK!cc) so it's not like he makes any error by folding them and we're certainly not profiting much compared to calling.

I do think that if we flat, SB raises and BB gets it in, we can get away from our hand, which is another reason I want to flat here. Yea it doesn't happen all that frequently, but if calling and raising are close, then this might make the difference for me. And just in general I always prefer to just call and play poker when I'm in position. SPR 6 is enough where two decent sized bets can go in on the turn and river, so there's decent room for maneuver.

I would definitely like to hear more opinions on this. I think more numbers can help us but for that we're gonna need PJ. Is the hand histories from that site supported by PJ?

since your flush draw is non-nut and blank turn cards allow villain to play well it seems like a great spot to raise and try to fold out Khigh flush draws, bare NFD that may not have anything else to draw to, or wraps that take a lot of our equity against overpairs and two pair because they share or take away some of our outs.

I'm raising and it sucks when the SB comes along or reshoves, but that isn't going to happen that often. Calling just makes the turn easier for our opponents to play.

interesting replies, very similar to my actual thought process during the hand.

http://hh.pokerjuice.com/hh/mnJHaVvwrc

In-game i didnt think wed make much money shipping it, and that villain would have a decently strong c-betting range. we can also call any turn so allowing villain to bomb any brick isnt a big deal.

assuming he cbets naked AA+nfd blocker, and will barrel bluff flush cards with that tho, i doubt we can fold if the flush comes in (at least not to 1 bet), same goes for K. we also allow sb to realize his equity with better FDs and some KT so given that we dont have that much implied odds i started thinking that perhaps we should just jam flop with this many outs for the reasons jim stated.

additional question, if you don't mind: would you always bet of sb checks (lets asume guy left to act is decent\good reg)? if we bet and face a raise from either player - its b/f?

Can't see why you would do anything but call here, you still have a player left to act and the BB I would say has a strong range here fairly often cbetting that board into 2 players.

Call and re-evaluate turn, we really only have 3 clean outs.

I don't think you should be too concerned with SB just coming along with very marginal holdings like a KQTx or a naked K-hi flush draw unless he's a very bad player.

I mean would you call from the SB with a naked KTxx or Kxxx flush draw with this action to you? (Assuming you just called ofc).

Hmm tricky spot, but first we need to calculate our EV when jaming over the BB cbet and compare it to calling and play a pot in position:

3 scenarios can happen when we jam:
1. We jam, SB calls BB calls:
2. We jam, SB calls, BB folds
3. We jam SB folds, BB folds

We are using the OP's assigned preflop ranges and OP's assigned postflop cbetting-range for BB:

SB:$fi30!$3b6o,AA
BB:$3b4o

Let's first find the EV(scenario 1):
We are assigning the SB's stack off range, which should be very strong and narrow as he is facing a cbet and a jam: QQ+,KQT:(Add). This range he will call our jam with only 2% of the time:

using the range distrubution module again on BB stack off range, we can see that BB is bet-folding 51% of the time:

EV(scenario 1) = (244 + 915.58) + (915.580.02) + (815.580.49) - 915.58
= (1159.58 + 18.31 + 399.63 - 915.58) * 0.17 = 112.53
We need to multiply with 0.17 as we have 17% EQ, when we all 3 players gii on the flop:

As some posters already pointed out, this should be a value jam, because this we very rarely gii 3w and even so we are +EV.

Conclusion:
I think it's best to jam OTF, because we have poor visiblity as calling allow SB and BB to slowplay some speculative hands and we allow them to win the pot by bluffing later as we cap our hand when calling.

Hope this is useful fwiw

"assuming he cbets naked AA+nfd blocker, and will barrel bluff flush cards with that tho, i doubt we can fold if the flush comes in (at least not to 1 bet), same goes for K. we also allow sb to realize his equity with better FDs and some KT so given that we dont have that much implied odds i started thinking that perhaps we should just jam flop with this many outs for the reasons jim stated."

+1

"thx for putting in all that work Zuzu." emphasized text

You're welcome, was thinking of looking of the EQ on all turn cards like Pherox did in a similar post. But I think it's better to shove here, because were dealing with two villians likely if we call and this make the hand very hard to play even IP with a SPR that small.