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Hey guys.

I'm a new elite pro here so this is slightly embarrassing. But whatever. I took four years away from poker 2012-May 2016 working as a trader and am re entering the poker world for the most part.

I have done a lot of theory/math/structural fundamentals PLO study. I am making a long theory series. The first was posted today on combinatorics. http://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/plo-theory-combinatorics-part-1/ I'm not posting this to pump up my vid. I seriously want info.

I will be doing vids on combinatorics and board texture categorization and all sorts of fun equity and EV calcs, including multi-street EV calcs with assumptions about opponent's ranges and actions , accounting for the impact the next card has on their range. Things like that and so on. A lot of work I've already done, a lot I'll do along the way.

All hand v range/range v range equity calcs I've ever done are with ProPokerTools. I've done multi-street calcs there that take significant effort. I can do a lot with PPT and am comfortable with it. I have planned to do the series with PPT as the tool for such things.

I know PokerJuice exists, I know some of what it does from the preview stuff they have. But

a) from frequent users here who get specific value from it, what is that value?
b) If you intend to watch my videos, how important to you is it for me to get, learn and use PJ in them.
c) I'm making these videos regardless, obviously. Is my life going to be easier using PJ over PPT? By a lot or a little?

Thanks for any help.

Tom

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Tom Chambers 8 years, 9 months ago

Got some info from a friend and it seems worthwhile to learn and present at least some things I have planned using PJ rather than or alongside PPT, but please share your experiences if you are willing to take the time.

DirtyD 8 years, 9 months ago

I'm certainly not a PJ expert, but my experience is that it takes a lot of things that are possible but work-intensive with PPT and makes them easier and more streamlined. For example, figuring out whether you can call a 4bet vs AA is much easier in PJ. Basically automates a lot of the calcs you'd have to do by hand and makes the process much faster.

fiubi 8 years, 9 months ago

A) As already mentioned it automates alot of stuff that would require some extra work with PPT+excel or whatever. I get alot of value from the graphical presentation of the data, it really helps my brain to take in the information. But it's no magical software, I rarely do work in only PokerJuice, I need a combination of PPT and PJ to get satisfying answers to my questions.

B) Not that important at all.

C) I think the main advantage (for your purpose) is that PJ has a good graphical presenation of the data. But I'm not sure what you want to present in the videos, or how you want to present it, so I can't really say.

So_Nitty 8 years, 9 months ago

PJ uses not just hot and cold equity ranges but they have adapted the ranges to better simulate the ranges that good players use at the tables. It simulates various situations so that you can see your equity vs realistic ranges that you can retrieve from your hud but also you can calculate whether it would have been better to shove otf for example or peel and shove on good turns. I can use it post session to look at perhaps 10 hands that I'm not sure about and be done very quickly. It's much more useful than just looking at the hud to see what your actual equity was hand vs hand because obviously you want to be thinking of range vs range.

You can also see how often they will have various hands which is very useful and there is a bluff catching module to show you what the ev is of calling in different situations.

I think someone like you would have a lot of fun with PJ and would find it highly entertaining. You might also find that Omaha Ranger allows you to analyze hands a little differently in that you can assign weighted ranges to certain combinations but selfishly I would prefer to see you use PJ since that's what I use.

Zach Freeman did an introductory video to both of them which might help you understand the differences and show you how PJ works.
Brick & Mortar

InsideMan 8 years, 9 months ago

a) The value is that certain types of analysis is faster with Pokerjuice, even if you are already pretty efficient doing analysis with PPTOO (for example by assisting your analysis with spreadsheets) you will still save time.
Another benefit is that it just helps with overview due to the UI being much better than that in PPTOO. However, I don't see PJ as a replacement to PPTOO, more as a supplement. If I had to make a guess, I would say I do 70% of my analysis in PJ and 30% in PPTOO.
b) Not very important.
c) Hard to say since I am unsure what you intend on presenting, but I would say it is at least a little easier.

TribunCaesar 8 years, 9 months ago

Hi,

I am frequently using PJ, not just for myself but also for Videos and Coachings and such.

a) easy, fast and as close to exact as possible calculations within minutes that would otherwise cost you hours. It's also much nicer to look at then other oldschool programs.

b) it would make it easier to understand the content of your videos for sure. It's just much less complicated and nicer to look at.

c) If you would only know how much easier. I suggest you test it for yourself before making the videos. Do a calculation without and one with. Then you know yourself.

Best regards,
Tribun

jonna102 8 years, 9 months ago

Hi, I've already shared this with Tom but I'll repeat it here for the sake of public discussion.

I personally believe that people want to see more videos where PJ is used. Whatever can be done in PJ, I think people want to see done there. All in the spirit of simplifying things as much as possible. There are things that PJ can't do, that requires PPT. Then there are things that PPT can't do, that requires other methods. But I think exploring options in that order is generally a good idea.

Kyyberi 8 years, 9 months ago

PokerJuice is like any other poker software: it doesn't do anything you couldn't do with pen and paper, but is saves time. And it saves time a lot! There are three things why I think PokerJuice is a must compared to PPT:

Basically it uses PPT as engine, so it doesn't do anything PPT couldn't handle. But just to implement preflop ranges to postflop calculations is something that most of PPT users don't do. And it affects the calculations. Like if you don't define preflop range and put Qxxx to postflop range, it includes hands like QQQQ and Q222. Which are not usually in preflop range.

Another thing is lack of errors. If you do all the stuff with PPT, one typo can change the result dramatically. With PokerJuice you reduce the chance of errors.

Third thing is "what if...?" calculations. If you use PPT to calculate complicated EV for Peel & Shove for an example, it takes a lot of time to change opponents preflop range, or change flop cards, perceived range etc. With PokerJuice it's matter of seconds.

When I first saw PokerJuice I wast thinking that "man, this software is going to save me a lot of time!". I used to use PPT for all my analyzings and EV calculations, and I instantly realized that using PPT is a must for me. I love doing "what if...?" scenarios. And if PokerJuice can save 1 hour a day my time, that is 1 hour more time for poker (or anything else that is important).

So in short, the value of PPT is time and lack of errors.

Tom Chambers 8 years, 9 months ago

Thanks guys. I'm definitely getting it. Good info.

I'm in the midst of a massive range weighting/decomposition project for my next video, using PPT. Will be interesting to backtrack at some point and try to duplicate in PJ.

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