PLO5 nutwrap on flop OOP
Posted by rasmus1610
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PLO5 nutwrap on flop OOP
UTG: $5.23
HJ: $4.49
CO: $4.92
BN: $3.86
SB: $5 (Hero)
BB: $2.49
HJ: $4.49
CO: $4.92
BN: $3.86
SB: $5 (Hero)
BB: $2.49
BB is a 30/17 with AF 2,4 and AFq of 33% after 210 hands
Preflop
($0.07)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
4
A
J
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, BN calls $0.15
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, BN calls $0.15
standard value raise for me with suited A + 2 broadways
Flop
($0.62)
K
T
5
(3 Players)
Hero bets $0.38,
BB raises to $1.72
im not really sure whether cbetting is good on this board. i mean we have the nut wrap and dont want to give possible flush draws a freecard but i dont really know how to play against a raise on this board OOP.
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After having over 200 hands on your opponent, it would be nice to know what other reads you have such as what type of hands he had at sd on previous hands.
Also, at 5PLO players seem to call with almost anything. In addition, both BN and BB are short stacked so when you raise and they call, the small spr will cause BB to get his/her stack in quite easily on the flop. And when you cbet the flop, it's an easy shove for BB with any Kxxx, Txxx suited to the spades.
I'm a beginner too so it's my two cents ;).
vs 2 players I suggest c/c rather than cbet. Note that your nut wrap is worse than flush draw and they are not folding flush draw against your cbet. So unless you are planning to barrel(which I think is bad), you can't really make flush draw to fold on the flop. Bigger problem with cbetting is when you get raised like this hand. We are either flipping or behind against any reasonable gii range. Since we don't have much fold equity vs two players, I rather c/c and see turn card.
I would start with a check and take it from there. Wraps are very much devalued when there is a flush draw possible. Usually you'll want to keep the pot small until you hit. The way to do that is to play passively. Now you get to realize equity more often, and you can get out if there is heavy action behind you.
So when on flush draw, we should play passively most of the time?
Thanks, I also tend to over play wraps when there is a flush draw.
When you have a flush draw you have the comfort of knowing that when you hit, you will rarely get sucked out on (sets are rare and flop play will usually indicate if one is out there, two pair rarely draw out).
But with a wrap on flush board, you lose many outs immediately. And when you hit after getting flop action, someone is usually drawing to a flush, which will come in ~20% on the river. So a lot more can go wrong. Therefore it makes sense to not put in a lot of money until you are in the free and clear.
Even the mightiest wrap is a dog to a naked nut flush draw, unless you have a pair with your wrap. That is good to keep in mind.
Agree with ZenFish, i would probably c/c this flop from my experience at these stacks the players don't fold flush draws on the flop and it would wrong to do so because even if you pot it they always have immediate odds to call it (unless it's a bad flush draw), so by betting here you would never fold a flush draw and would be called or raised by made hands or made hands + flush draw, you would also need to discount at least 3 outs from your wrap outs, so you would have only about 24% to make the nuts with that wrap by the river, which is not much.
I mean when I have a wrap and there's a flush draw.
thanks guys for your comments. makes sense what you said.
i just dont feel comfortable c/C OOP but thats something i need to work on :P im always scared of getting bluffed on every flush turn, because thats what i would do IP
but would you bluff a flush turn if you bet flop? if you x-f as the cbettor then its the same thing, except the pot you "get bluffed" in, is bigger...
as for the flop play, just depends on how often they fold to c-bets. dont think we can go wrong betting flop as this doesnt hit a btn-limping range very hard.
but then again, if ppl at these arent folding like some1 said in the post....im all for x-cing.
cant believe there are players with a 34 VPIP at these stakes, games are tough!
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