PLO30 3bet flop/turn confusion

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PLO30 3bet flop/turn confusion

SB: Jon Doe: $0
BB: Hero - VPIP: 25, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 4,4, Hands: 30243: $206.17
UTG: Player2 - VPIP: 43, PFR: 28, 3B: 10, AF: 7,2, Hands: 168: $1032.24
HJ: Player3 - VPIP: 60, PFR: 24, 3B: 11, AF: 1,6, Hands: 161: $406.01
CO: Player4 - VPIP: 46, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 26: $208.23
BN: Player5 - VPIP: 49, PFR: 35, 3B: 26, AF: 33,0, Hands: 63: $777.21
Hes called John Doe by some reason but its Player 5 who we get involved with
Preflop ($3.00) (5 Players)
Jon Doe was dealt 2 K T A
Jon Doe raises to $7, Jon Doe folds, Jon Doe folds, Jon Doe folds, Jon Doe raises to $20, Jon Doe calls $15
He 3bets 26% total this far but over a small sample. Could see myself 4bet here for value with more definitive reads that he 3bets lightly but he could also have a good run of cards this far. I think Im more inclined to 4bet when OOP vs this guy then IP; so I ended up calling.
Flop ($45.00) 3 K 5 (2 Players)
Jon Doe bets $26, Jon Doe calls $26
He cbets 86% in 3bets pots (7 hands) so I could see myself raising here for that reason. Its just that Im not doing so great vs his getting it in range. I also figured I can hit alot of good turns and he might slow down on any spade/straight so I could possibly steal. Again, having position makes me want to call more. Right thinking?
Turn ($97.00) 7 (2 Players)
Jon Doe bets $72.75, Jon Doe folds
He bets big on straight turn. I picked up alot of equity vs many hands in his range but then he bets big. Im not sure what to do in this spot. My first thought was to shove but then I ended up folding. Comment pls!
Final Pot
Jon Doe wins $72.75 , Jon Doe wins $94.58

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eldodo42 12 years, 2 months ago
Hand format is atrocious. Villain I assume is BB, not BTN: he's OOP postflop.

Don't fold the turn IMO. I'd call the turn and then call any river that gives us two-pairs+.

I don't think we can play like this vs a villain who just keeps jamming whatever piece for pot-sized bets: when we're this tight we'd end up folding too much.

I think 4betting pre would be +EV but flatting is better, and that OTF raising is fine but calling is better.
Viktor Luis Larsson 12 years, 2 months ago
Its player 5 and were HU postflop so shouldnt be too hard to figure out how the hand plays out. Sorry for the inconvience though, hopefully they can fix this issue asap.

I do think his range for cbetting flop is very wide, but for betting that turn it got alot more narrower. I havent seen him playing turns yet as PFR in a 3bet pot so I wasnt totally trusting the hud in this situation. I also didnt want to make a mistake relying on this sample because its very small and can be deceptive.

Jason Ring 12 years, 2 months ago
The flop seems like a call though maybe raising isn't that bad given his high cbet% but with the tiny samble size I would lean towards a call.

As for the turn I can see either calling or shoving as viable options. Reasons for shoving are that your hand could be best at this point and the idea of making a mistake by folding to his river shove pains me.
Viktor Luis Larsson 12 years, 2 months ago
What do you think of his size on turn Jason? Hes not leaving much to play with behind so I assume we dont have much fold equity with a raise.

I would be more inclined to raise if he bets anywhere between ~$40-$62, what do you guys think about that?
Jason Ring 12 years, 2 months ago
We probably don't have any fold equity but our hand could be best at this point. His sizing seems like he doesn't want to make it too cheap for you to see the river and also leave him a similar size bet on river. Not sure if villain would ever bet anything less than say 55ish here.
Ricardo Anaya 12 years, 2 months ago
I agree we have little fold equity so it seems to me he hit some draws on the turn. The 7c could have given him a wrap and a flush draw making him a slight fav to the river. He seems to pot committing himself for an easy jam on the river given whatever lands.

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