PLO25 zoom, turn spot vs unknown

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PLO25 zoom, turn spot vs unknown

BN: $105.26
SB: $29.60
BB: $69.28 (Hero)
UTG: $26.98
HJ: $46.29
CO: $27.95
Preflop ($0.35) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt K Q 9 Q
UTG folds, HJ raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, BN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $0.60
Flop ($2.65) J 3 T (3 Players)
Hero checks, HJ bets $2.53, CO folds, Hero calls $2.53
Turn ($7.71) J 3 T 3 (2 Players)
Hero checks, HJ bets $7.36, Hero folds
Final Pot
HJ wins $7.36
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First of all, villain is an unknow, only like 10 hands on him but 3/3 flop cbet, and if I remember correctly, about 30/20 no 3bet. After looking at the hand afterward, my flop play wasn't the best against an unknown. I was OOP with a hand that has a ton of equity even against the top of his range, if I had to play the hand again I would probably raise as I was OOP, but at the time, I elected to check/call as i supposed he would barrel most turn with the cbets stat he had at the time.

The turn is where I'm lost. When the 3 comes out, the board is pairing and he pots it again. I was trying to establish is range and came out with something that looked like AAQx, AAKx, some KKQx, AKKx, AKQx, (those 3 are less likely given my hand) and some sets JJ-TT. When he pots the turn i feel like the sets are less likely as he would want me to draw with no equity, but again being deep against an unknown, he might be trying to get as much value as possible. Still i think here is range is more towards overpair and gutshots or AKQ type of hands given the sizing of his bet.

Against overpairs and gutters im more or less a 70% to 30% dog and a big favorite over AKQ no pair. I opted to fold OOP as I felt overpairs where a bigger part of his range but im not sure about it. I would like your thoughts on this hand!

P.S. Awesome job on the site!

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Phil Galfond 12 years, 3 months ago
Thanks for the great, feedback!

I agree that I'd usually raise the flop. Sometimes you get to get it in against KQT9 and make a ton of EV.

The turn is tough. It really depends on his tendencies, pre and postflop. He shouldn't have a lot of 3s in his range, but he can have plenty of AA/KK combos like you said. I feel fine about folding this against an unknown who hasn't seemed too out of control. You don't have much in the way of implied odds, and could even have some reverse implied odds if you hit your straight and run into a boat. Good fold.
homer5554 12 years, 3 months ago
turn is close between call and fold vs an unknown...In general people would give up on the river on these limits der bluffs and semi bluff, so all in all I be a bit more inclined to call than to fold...but I guess in this case both plays have their merits...flop I dont like the c/c line with our hand, either leading or c/r is a nice option here...I would c/r here, cause weaker straight draws can call you here if c/r on the smaller site and also hand we fold hands out with solid equity (he should fold here aces or kings with not much to got with)
Di Dang 12 years, 3 months ago
I think I call the turn and fold river. I think he probably valuebets some hands you beat too to protect like Jxxx or JTxx. AKQ or KQ9x also bet again almost all the time on the turn but a lot of those will give up on the river should they miss.

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