PLO25 - Turn decision.
Posted by Dan Martin
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PLO25 - Turn decision.
BN: $54.88 (Hero)
SB: $41
BB: $25
UTG: $19.67
HJ: $35.26
CO: $25
SB: $41
BB: $25
UTG: $19.67
HJ: $35.26
CO: $25
Villan is 65/23 with 3bet of 14.7 (10.7% from the small blind) over 240 hands.
Preflop
($0.35)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
8
Q
T
J
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.50, BB folds, Hero raises to $6.50, SB calls $4
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.50, BB folds, Hero raises to $6.50, SB calls $4
Flop
($14.10)
6
5
7
(2 Players)
SB checks,
Hero checks
On the flop I have a gutshot and Q high flush draw but I don't want to get ceck-raised this deep so I ceck back.
Turn
($14.10)
6
5
7
8
(2 Players)
SB bets $12.69
On the turn I make a pair to go with my draws and willan bet's ito me. What do I do now? I think a call would put me in a tough spot on the river.
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What's your motivation for 4-betting pf here? It's not unreasonable, but it wouldn't be my standard play.
I 4-bett because he 3bet's a ton from the SB, we are deep, I have position, my cards are conected and I thought that on a dry board like Axx or Kxx I can take down the pot with a CBet and on the flops that I hit hard he will ceck-raise me light with any 2pairs.
Ok, and what's your plan for flops that you both miss?
I agree with jonna. Unless you have a big history vs. villain, I think you could 4bet this hand. Now, this deep, IP and with this nice (but not super great) hand I would have called without hesitation; change that 8 for an A or K and I'm 4betting all day
@jonna102 , it depends, against a ABC tight villan I vould bet-fold on flop, but against this tipe of opponent I would ceck-bak flop and maybe bet turn if he ceck's again, I would be balanced by the times (like in this example) that I ceck back a Q high flush draw + gutter and get there on the turn.
This is an atrocious board for your 4-bet range so checking back is probably the range play, although if he's stabby I would be more inclined to bet as I don't have a hand that benefits much from inducing barrels from his misses (knowing if he's the type to barrel would help - his VPIP is kinda low so he may be somewhat passive).
The other good thing about betting is we can potentially jam blank turns or take a free river when called depending what we feel like.
"This is an atrocious board for your 4-bet range so checking back is probably the range play"
So, because it hits our range so poorly, why don't we go ahead and bet/call it off when we hit??
We need 41% to stack off here, which we even have against the toprange (89** and Ad*d**).
To be honest, with these stats I don't worry too much about villains hand, it could be anything.
A reason for checking back is to make drawing dead hands put in money, but isn't our opponent going to play us rather perfectly here? I mean, once he bets the turn, when we give action he should be so alert that we've actually hit, especially if we raise. However, on the flop he might think he can bluff us off a hand and we just go for a coinflip here....
I can't afford to lose these pots. I pot here to make AKTJ fold instead of letting it bluff the turn and call it off if he happens to have a hand.
(Besides, my check-back range would include lots of AA8T type of hands which hope for a miracle turn.)
Bet/calling off would have been nice if we had hit the board, but this isn't a hit. OP has a gutter and a Q high FD. That would be a hand in holdem, but in omaha you'd basically have to bet/fold here, or bet/call and never be ahead.
The main reason why checking back is likely to be best is that we're not even doing great against a calling range. So it's certainly not a pot we should be in a hurry to put more money into given this flop. And when led into on the turn we're either getting a bad price or a REALLY bad price, so I don't see any point calling the turn.
If villain is the type to auto stab 100% of hands when the flop checks back, then you may need to come up with a strategy against that, but this is a fairly marginal spot to do it. The play would be to shove the turn in that case, but on a 4-straight board I don't think that's going to work out too well.
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