PLO25 3betted pot 3way IP
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PLO25 3betted pot 3way IP
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (4 Players)
BB: $52.38
CO: $41.58 (Hero)
BN: $30.84
SB: $26.09
CO: $41.58 (Hero)
BN: $30.84
SB: $26.09
SB is a big passive wale (42-2);
BB is a linear regular,no particular notes; he plays 22-18, 3bet 5, squeeze 5; cbet flop in3 betted pot 60, cbet turn in 3betted pot 40; WTSD 32 W$SD 41; AGG 40, 33, 30, sample 1.6k hands.
BB is a linear regular,no particular notes; he plays 22-18, 3bet 5, squeeze 5; cbet flop in3 betted pot 60, cbet turn in 3betted pot 40; WTSD 32 W$SD 41; AGG 40, 33, 30, sample 1.6k hands.
Preflop
($0.35)
Hero is CO with
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T
7
J
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Flop
($8.40)
J
5
2
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Final Pot
BB wins $7.94
Rake is $0.46
Rake is $0.46
Hi, i'm new on RIO and on PLO.
I need a suggestion about the flop play: in your opinion, against a linear regular is better call or fold?
i think that when i call preflop deep with this hands, is to hit a draw or at least two pair, because the 3bettor range is mainly AAxx, strong KKxx and some high rundowns.
Preflop the call is ok?
and on the flop?
every suggestions is good for me!
thnx a lot!
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Preflop is totally fine.
I'de call flop and play some poker on the turn. you have ~40% vs a 5% 3bet/sq range.
you have 11 outs to improve to trips or 2pair. + a bunch of backdoors (any 9, any diamond...)
+1. Aldo, I remember good players saying to fold this preflop if the squeezer is tight and good and SB is decent as well coz u will rarely have a clear situation thanks to your hands non-nuttiness and as you have worst relative pos, you often have to fold out a decent EQ hand. But if you call pre, I think you can't EVER fold this on the flop, because if you do fold, then you better off folding it pre.
I put the hand in PJ and tried to make some simole calcs.
1)how good is plan to peel and stack off on good turns?
so, its kinda okay +1.73$
note BB has 3b OOP range of 4% here
*note SB is disabled from calculations - so we're HU
2) how does presence of SB changes things?
well, I'm not sure if i put ranges right here, but thats what I end up with:
*note #A and #B are sub-ranges I assume SB continues when he sees bet and call infront of him.
what I meant by #B are all of the Jacks w\o 2pair+ and overpairs (he dont have many of OP in his range anyways). I probably have to put different macros here.(J!(2,5,QQ+) - somehow doesnt work)
I cannot give any clear conclusion, but if all these numbers make any sense - then calling and 'playing poker OTT' is somewhat marginal\breakeven, I would guess.
thnx a lot for PJ simulation ;)
Raise pot preflop, raising just as much with this as I am AAJTds. Pre call, flop call and evaluate. If your confident your against an overpair you can play perfectly. You hit, you bet. You miss, you fold. Your profit will come from villain betting turns too much.
why raise POT preflop? PF i raise pot UTG and MP, 2.8bb from CO and 2.4bb from BTN. No sense imo open every time pot,especialy from late position
As i just said, i want to raise just as much with premiums as i do with any other hand. If someone recognizes this pattern of changing bet size then we can be exploited.
And if we get 3-bet with premiums the spr is higher in position, our premium hands are heavily based upon big pocket pairs and they perform better in low spr 3-bet pots.
ok, but we have premium hands only few times when we open from late position.... if we open small size, we can flat more smallish 3bet, playing postflop with bigger SPR (if we have edge, is better force our opponents to do more wrong choices)...
There a pros and cons, i lean towards pot you lean towards varying size. If we look at it from a sizing point of view, opponents may change their 3-bet ranges vs sizing as well as calling range, this will make our decisions pre and post a lot more difficult as we have to consider varying ranges. Vs a pot size bet pre flop we can nderstand how opponents will play back based on past events (stats) being more reliable as they are all based on the same sizing, e.g. 3-bet vs pot size bet will be constant by position compared to 2x, 2.5x, 3x and pot.
i realy don't think that in my actual field, someone have "dinamic 3bet and cold-calling range" vs different oppening size.
i'd like to know what that assumption is based upon. I play 5PLO, if i am aware I would have thought 25PLO players would be.
A player that play something like 60-10, have idea about NOTHING, and i'm sure that they don't care about my opening size. And in my field, at the moment, everyone play without sense lol
Solid fold otf. Disagreeing with calling flop being a good idea. 3rd player to act. Villains range uncapped, even improved to 2 pair OTT and being up against AAxx, villain still has some EQ, not to mention you will miss your 2 pair around 75% of the time.
If you fold this OTF your calling range is gonna be incredibly strong, meaning we shouldn't get paid if we actually have a monster and decide to flatcall.
Ofc ppl might not notice this at all and still pay you off anyhow.
PLL, as far as I can deduce, he's saying that he's raising different amounts based on the position he's in, not the cards he's dealt. That's completely standard for every stake.
yes obv i means that in all my post
Flatting doesn't look good. You are basically hoping to hit 2p/trip and hope V stacks off despite a bad turn card. Even 9d doesn't improve much equity against AA
I can understand a call if we are HU but with SB left to act.. even tho it's a dry flop and SB will fold alot I don't lite it.
But a question: is the fact that SB is a passive whale a plus for calling? I mean, he will put money in the pot and I assume we don't have any implied odds against him cuz we are drawing to top2 pair.. ?
Obviously SBs tendencies matter quite a bit here. But vs a passive whale I don't see why you assume us not having implieds. He's likely to call way too much OTF and probably is not gonna fold easily later on, meaning he's gonna put money in with worse two pairs.
Sorry, I meant reverse implied odds :P
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