PLO200z - Double suited KK with two flush draws

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PLO200z - Double suited KK with two flush draws

Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (6 Players) BN: $107.97
SB: $452.69
BB: $384.80 (Hero)
UTG: $430.62
MP: $371.16
CO: $261.47
Preflop ($3.00) Hero is BB with K 4 9 K
UTG folds, MP raises to $7.00, CO raises to $24.00, BN folds, SB calls $23.00, Hero calls $22.00, MP calls $17.00
Flop ($96.00) 8 2 5
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks
Turn ($96.00) 8 2 5 6
SB bets $62.00

SB is 52/19 over 21 hands. No other reads.

We have some fairly good blockers to the straights here. I would definitely be shoving all my straights here because of how vulnerable they are so I'm thinking a hand like this would also make a good semi-bluff shove OTT considering his bet-size looks a bit weak to me.

That being said, this fishy looking SB leading into 4 players probably isn't looking to fold - blockers or not - so maybe call is better?

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Tubes5 8 years, 3 months ago

Annoying spot, looks like bb has range adv here and if we don't make our hand then we are probably not able to bluff because these types of villains never fold river when we play it this way. I think we can call though, given we have 4+9. Possible that he has a 2 pair hand that is protecting, and we have 4 more board pairing outs to give us kings up as well as 2x KK

Shortooth 8 years, 3 months ago

tbh I really dislike checking the flop here. It is about as good as you can hope for with your hand, and you might be repping monster draw, set etc, you fold out aces without the fd as well as the majority of weak multi way draws and you save yourself what is likely to be a difficult decision from turn to river (when you hit, even a weaker flush may re-raise fold you off and you have high negative implied without the information gained from betting/ semi bluffing flop. Pot control has some merits but I think you take the pot down enough here and that your negative implied are high enough to counter your implied. Effectively, you have given all weaker hands a free card and all stronger hands affordibility to get to the river.
By the turn: I feel that it is quite unlikely that the a h fd does not bet, unless it is with is such a monster draw that it limped in early pos. and wants to re-raise (very unlikely still) However, although you have blockers, the fact that they are unconnected makes it far less likely that they are inhibiting the probability of a connected rundown in the range we are looking at, therefore i would not count on them as such a great factor here. The hands that your opponents are betting, do not include many two pairs that are not made on (therefore betting) the flop, unless they include blockers, to the straight, as turning two pair into a bluff here is dreadfully bad, when they have the blockers, they would also be combined with two pair, a set or a strong draw, after your flop check, it would be unlikely for you to crush those ranges and a thinking player is likely to make a call with lots of hands that have you beat. Agreed, the shove here is prob + ev against weak-average opponents but I think less so that a simple flop bet.

Ibra Cadabra 8 years, 3 months ago

I fully agree with Shortooth here on betting the flop. With SPR as it is I think there's no doubt you have a +EV stack-off regardless of the action. That said, in a 4-way pot on a board that is supposed to miss MP and CO, I don't think you'll get a bet out of one of them very often. The times you do get a bet out of one of them, you're up against the strongest parts of their ranges. With that in mind you're probably better off betting yourself and making them pay with hands they would otherwise check back with (like a straightdraw or (weak) flushdraw or something). On to the most important factor imo, and that is the fish in the SB. I think you should be more than happy with your hand here against a fishy player and I think betting for value is mandatory, because like said, you can't rely on MP or CO making a bet.

Alien Slayer 8 years, 3 months ago

Flop lead is close with that spr given stacksizes. Sure we have a lot of FE but are crushed in a lot of scenarios :against Aa+nfd or one having the Nfd and somebody else a made hand/Aa+straightdraw or strong combodraw...
So I don't mind the check, eventually folding if there is a bet and a raise depending on reads+ranges of mp+co.

As played i like shoving since we have foldequity , get the other 2 players to fold hands with equity and have good equity vs SB's stackoff range

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