PLO100z - Top two deep, questions about multiple streets
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PLO100z - Top two deep, questions about multiple streets
BN: $16.18
SB: $100
BB: $110.85
UTG: $260.87
HJ: $70.32
CO: $288.99 (Hero)
SB: $100
BB: $110.85
UTG: $260.87
HJ: $70.32
CO: $288.99 (Hero)
What's up guys, a holdem convert here trying to get into PLO. Criticism is very welcome regarding any part of the hand or my thinking.
Only have 33 hands on UTG. So far I have him as 31/28 and seems decently aggressive postflop as well. Obviously such a small sample is not too reliable, but I think we can assume he's reg-ish and def not a loose passive fish or a huge nit.
Only have 33 hands on UTG. So far I have him as 31/28 and seems decently aggressive postflop as well. Obviously such a small sample is not too reliable, but I think we can assume he's reg-ish and def not a loose passive fish or a huge nit.
Preflop
($1.50)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
J
Q
8
T
UTG raises to $2.50, HJ folds, Hero calls $2.50, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds
UTG raises to $2.50, HJ folds, Hero calls $2.50, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds
SB seems nitty, BB is a decent reg. Looking back, I think I might actually prefer a 3bet since the hand is nice and well connected but not a monster multiway and we're IP deep. Opinions?
Flop
($6.50)
5
8
Q
(2 Players)
UTG bets $4.09,
Hero calls $4.09
Don't think anything but calling makes sense, never folding obv and raising will get us owned especially this deep since most of the runouts suck when we make ranges narrower with a flop raise.
Turn
($14.68)
5
8
Q
4
(2 Players)
UTG bets $9.25,
Hero calls $9.25
Obviously still not folding. No reads on his betting ranges (or the sizing), but I don't think his UTG range has super many 76xx or sets on this board, though he can still have them for sure. Not even a lot of 2pair, really. I assume he often has some pair+draw type of hand (overpair+FD/GS, Qxxx with overs/FD/SD) or a combo draw.
Anyone like raising turn? If villain mostly has hands that aren't super strong but improve on many rivers, it seems like we could make villain fold decent equity/river playability kinda often. I don't think villain can go crazy 3betting this deep and, if called, we still have some equity and implied odds.
Anyone like raising turn? If villain mostly has hands that aren't super strong but improve on many rivers, it seems like we could make villain fold decent equity/river playability kinda often. I don't think villain can go crazy 3betting this deep and, if called, we still have some equity and implied odds.
River
($33.18)
5
8
Q
4
5
(2 Players)
UTG bets $19
I guess this is one of the worst rivers for my range? I feel that the majority of my range is stuff like Qxxx/pair+draw that can't beat AA/KK, while villain has plenty of those + the occasional stronger hands. What am I calling here with?
I guess I have some Q5xx/85xx/88xx/draw with a 5, but not many of those in my pre range vs. UTG. Then there's some weaker AAxx I might flat pre. Top set and 76xx I think I usually raise earlier, but probably a few of those as well. Is that a somewhat reasonable range to call/raise OTR or am I way off? It feels like such a good spot for villain to bet really wide, but maybe there's nothing I can do about it.
As to our actual hand, I guess it's a fold since we block plenty of his missed draws and not much else. We do block boats but I think I should be raising this river very very rarely since I rep so thin for value. Raising weak underfulls feels kinda thin/risky this deep and most of the sets I probably raise earlier in the hand and thus are not in my call twice range.
I guess I have some Q5xx/85xx/88xx/draw with a 5, but not many of those in my pre range vs. UTG. Then there's some weaker AAxx I might flat pre. Top set and 76xx I think I usually raise earlier, but probably a few of those as well. Is that a somewhat reasonable range to call/raise OTR or am I way off? It feels like such a good spot for villain to bet really wide, but maybe there's nothing I can do about it.
As to our actual hand, I guess it's a fold since we block plenty of his missed draws and not much else. We do block boats but I think I should be raising this river very very rarely since I rep so thin for value. Raising weak underfulls feels kinda thin/risky this deep and most of the sets I probably raise earlier in the hand and thus are not in my call twice range.
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Both 3betting and calling are okay, usually I'm a bit more conservative with 3betting UTG ranges but him being probably on the looser side I think the 3bet is legit.
Flop call is standard without further reads.
On the turn I'd go for a raise, one reason is that like you said he has 76 rarely but improves on a lot of rivers. Even if he doesn't he will often shut down because there are many scary rivers for him.
A reason for calling the turn would be that your hand is a bit disguised and he may c/c the river on blanks with a worse hand than ours, but it's not gonna happen too often so I stick with raise turn.
are you raising ott, full pot (around $42 right?) or something smaller
in the $30-35 range?
About 35.
Hi guys
Preflop: i prefer 3bet here, to represent a
wider range in
which a
hand like yours is.
Calling
still fine, as deep you’ll have lot of possibilities otf and after.
Flop:
top 2/BDFD Q high and also gutshot.
I’m not raising here a large part of my
range, then I’m not raising here as well.
He could call us a lot with this stacks and
on many cards we are in the dark.
Any hearts, Tens,kings,aces.
Calling here seems to be “standard”.
Turn: I would raise a lot of hands, now the
draw equity is weakened and we can represent a nut on this card (67) who make
sense to only peeling flop.
I think we have equity and fold equity and
both gives us a nice spot to raise.
i agree Patrick, near to 30$ is good and enough here.
As played :
River is one of worst cards possible. He won’t
have all the time KK/AA but this cards is not great for our range.
Raise here won’t make sense but calling
sounds good.
I call here, he could bet with AQ/KQ and a
lot of weaker hands thinking you missed your draw
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