PLO100 - turn decision in 3-bet pot vs. LAG with two pair + nfd and 150bb stacks

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PLO100 - turn decision in 3-bet pot vs. LAG with two pair + nfd and 150bb stacks

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (4 Players) CO: $85.07
BN: $310.48 (Hero)
SB: $105.77
BB: $147.04
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is BN with A 8 5 4
CO calls $1.00, Hero raises to $3.00, SB folds, BB raises to $10.50, CO folds, Hero calls $7.50
Flop ($22.50) 6 9 4
BB checks, Hero bets $16.00, BB calls $16.00
Turn ($54.50) 6 9 4 8
BB checks

Villain plays 36/21 and 3-bets 9.9 overall. He 3-bets a ton vs. my BTN steal: around 20% from SB and 15% from BB. I reckon I have much more of a limping hand than a raising hand, but since a similar situation might occur with me open-raising instead of iso-raising, I'm very interested in post-flop anyway.

I would rate villain as a very good player, who balances his c/f range on these boards with c/c and c/r. Seems to have very proper frequencies for open-raising, c-betting, folding to c-bets, raising vs. c-bet, c/r, donk-betting, and so on. Both in single-raised and 3-bet pots. Also doesn't auto-stab when checked to, etc. Just very balanced overall (and exploitive when appropriate).

On to the flop. Betting when checked to is a no-brainer. On the turn, with SPR a little over 2, I got confused. On the one hand I figured he'd fold most hands that I'm ahead of (such as over pairs with backdoor clubs, unimproved 9 with side cards, 87 with clubs), and stick it in with hands that are better than mine (such as any straight, or top two + a little something extra). I also think he would've c/r KK/QQ with hearts otf already. All this indicates that checking might be best. On the other hand I felt like checking could cause a lot of trouble on the river (besides improving to a boat or a flush), and that my pot equity + fold equity were sufficient to pot/commit, indicating that a bet might be best. Who can enlighten me? Thanks in advance.

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BioRio0101 8 years ago

Hi,
why is betting this flop a no brainer?
thnx

plolearnerguy 8 years ago

we have pair + nfd. so betting we can win the pot, we can increase the size if we hit and we can get villain to start calling oop with hands that are a dog and have some reverse implied odds issues. it's hu and we are in position so we really don't need much to bet. we also have a hand that we can stack off with vs aggressive villains.

Ibra Cadabra 8 years ago

Yeah what plolearnerguy says. Mainly for value. Probably a favorite against a stack-off range too.

Imfish4u 8 years ago

This is a clear open for me on the BTN especially with beeing more than 100bbs deep. You have a nut suit and connected cards. Calling the 3bet is also standard.
OTF i think it is somewhat close but I prefer betting over checking. He will fold some dry overpairs and x/r KK with fd or open ender, which you are doing ok against.
Turn is interesting. I dont expect him to have T7 that often, but i also dont like betting to narrow his range OTR. Checking the turn behing will result in some difficult river situation if he leads out, but I still think it is the best Play in this spot.

Ibra Cadabra 8 years ago

Thanks for the insight. Betting indeed seems to isolate us with the stronger part of his range, which isn't very appealing.

(Don't really agree on your pre-flop opinion though. It's not like the hand is good at dominating a wide stack-off range. Instead it's good at making some nutty hands post-flop, and it benefits from high implied odds. Hence, no real need to isolate a 85bb limper, especially with the high likelihood of BB coming along, or either one of the blinds 3-betting. Besides, the connectedness part isn't great, with the low straight possibilities and the two-gap up top. The hand doesn't play very well against a 3-bet range either; it'll often be dominated.)

miami002 8 years ago

I agree with Ibra. This hand is barely a stealing hand from the BTN, maybe from CO and defending hand from the BB.

Imfish4u 8 years ago

Sorry, I didnt even look at the limper! You are correct, with the limper it is a very marginal open and i would prefer a fold or limp behind since we have a nut suit.

BalTa 8 years ago

Why this is a marginal open. This hand is in top 30% according to Poker Juice

plolearnerguy 8 years ago

Technically it's only an open if you are the first person into the pot. What hero is doing here is making an iso raise. But I favour over limping with this particular hand in this particular spot. Try to get in cheap and flop something big.

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