PLO100 - turn decision in 3-bet pot vs. LAG with two pair + nfd and 150bb stacks
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PLO100 - turn decision in 3-bet pot vs. LAG with two pair + nfd and 150bb stacks
BN: $310.48 (Hero)
SB: $105.77
BB: $147.04
Villain plays 36/21 and 3-bets 9.9 overall. He 3-bets a ton vs. my BTN steal: around 20% from SB and 15% from BB. I reckon I have much more of a limping hand than a raising hand, but since a similar situation might occur with me open-raising instead of iso-raising, I'm very interested in post-flop anyway.
I would rate villain as a very good player, who balances his c/f range on these boards with c/c and c/r. Seems to have very proper frequencies for open-raising, c-betting, folding to c-bets, raising vs. c-bet, c/r, donk-betting, and so on. Both in single-raised and 3-bet pots. Also doesn't auto-stab when checked to, etc. Just very balanced overall (and exploitive when appropriate).
On to the flop. Betting when checked to is a no-brainer. On the turn, with SPR a little over 2, I got confused. On the one hand I figured he'd fold most hands that I'm ahead of (such as over pairs with backdoor clubs, unimproved 9 with side cards, 87 with clubs), and stick it in with hands that are better than mine (such as any straight, or top two + a little something extra). I also think he would've c/r KK/QQ with hearts otf already. All this indicates that checking might be best. On the other hand I felt like checking could cause a lot of trouble on the river (besides improving to a boat or a flush), and that my pot equity + fold equity were sufficient to pot/commit, indicating that a bet might be best. Who can enlighten me? Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
why is betting this flop a no brainer?
thnx
we have pair + nfd. so betting we can win the pot, we can increase the size if we hit and we can get villain to start calling oop with hands that are a dog and have some reverse implied odds issues. it's hu and we are in position so we really don't need much to bet. we also have a hand that we can stack off with vs aggressive villains.
Yeah what plolearnerguy says. Mainly for value. Probably a favorite against a stack-off range too.
This is a clear open for me on the BTN especially with beeing more than 100bbs deep. You have a nut suit and connected cards. Calling the 3bet is also standard.
OTF i think it is somewhat close but I prefer betting over checking. He will fold some dry overpairs and x/r KK with fd or open ender, which you are doing ok against.
Turn is interesting. I dont expect him to have T7 that often, but i also dont like betting to narrow his range OTR. Checking the turn behing will result in some difficult river situation if he leads out, but I still think it is the best Play in this spot.
Thanks for the insight. Betting indeed seems to isolate us with the stronger part of his range, which isn't very appealing.
(Don't really agree on your pre-flop opinion though. It's not like the hand is good at dominating a wide stack-off range. Instead it's good at making some nutty hands post-flop, and it benefits from high implied odds. Hence, no real need to isolate a 85bb limper, especially with the high likelihood of BB coming along, or either one of the blinds 3-betting. Besides, the connectedness part isn't great, with the low straight possibilities and the two-gap up top. The hand doesn't play very well against a 3-bet range either; it'll often be dominated.)
I agree with Ibra. This hand is barely a stealing hand from the BTN, maybe from CO and defending hand from the BB.
Sorry, I didnt even look at the limper! You are correct, with the limper it is a very marginal open and i would prefer a fold or limp behind since we have a nut suit.
Why this is a marginal open. This hand is in top 30% according to Poker Juice

Technically it's only an open if you are the first person into the pot. What hero is doing here is making an iso raise. But I favour over limping with this particular hand in this particular spot. Try to get in cheap and flop something big.
Any more thoughts on turn play :D ?
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