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PLO100 Pointless bluff and retarded play?

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PLO100 Pointless bluff and retarded play?

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (6 Players) BN: $100.00
SB: $100.00 (Hero)
BB: $100.00
UTG: $151.85
MP: $104.37
CO: $130.33
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is SB with J 4 K A
3 folds, BN raises to $2.10, Hero calls $1.60, BB folds
Flop ($5.20) K Q A
Hero checks, BN bets $3.35, Hero calls $3.35
Turn ($11.90) K Q A 8
Hero bets $9.50, BN calls $9.50
River ($30.90) K Q A 8 5
Hero checks, BN bets $22.00, Hero raises to $65.00, BN raises to $85.05 and is all in, Hero folds
Final Pot BN wins $158.10
Rake is $2.80

Villian seems solid

Villians flop range i thought would be super wide and i wanted value from pure cbets etc.

Turn im thinking he can now call alot of drawing hands and weaker two pair type hands. I look pretty strong obv

River I cant see any value in betting so i decided to check. Im not expecting him to bluff almost ever. I expect him only to go for thin valuebets or valuebet JT. I thought he would have raised JT on the turn, why wouldnt he? Because it caps his range? Is that the logic that i missed?

How off am i here and what would you guys do?

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Fabse 10 years, 5 months ago

PREFLOP: You can call or 3Bet here, not much to talk about.

Flop: Super easy check-call. He will bet here a lot and we are definitely of a normal button c-betting rang here.

Turn: I would never ever donk lead here. Your lead here looks fishy and doesn't make much sense.
I can see why you wanted to bet here: You want to protect your hand against flush draws, that might check-behind and you feel like it will be tough for you to play rivers after he bets the turn
But by leading all you achieve is making him fold hands that you have in pretty bad shape.
He is never folding a set here, he might bluff raise hands like a flush draw with a gutter/blockers(you cannot call a raise here!) and he can raise/call with his straights (he will flat call a lot of his bare straight combos here given that there is a flush draw out there and the SPR is about 8, so when he calls he still has a lot of those!)

River:
You are right by saying, you cannot get any value by betting. By leading the turn you narrowed his range down to sets (he will likely check most), straights and pairs/two pairs with k high/q high flush draws.

You check and he bets. Imo this is a pretty clear fold. First, as is said on turn he will definitely have a significant amount of straights here. Why? You get to the turn with an stack to potsize ratio of about 8 (95$ in Stacks / 12$ in the Pot ~8), if he pots against your lead with a bare straight he risks to get free-rolled in a relatively deep situation and also there will be about 92$ in the Pot with about 55$ left in stacks putting him in difficult spots on board pairings/flush cards on the river.
The only range that is bluffing here might be hands like KJxxh, QJhh, but this won't be a lot of hands and most of his flush draw combos will contain enough SDV that he won't go for a bluff here (at least most people in those stakes check behind here with a hand like QKJhh,AQxhh).

So, we are looking here at a betting range of straights and some rare bluffs (especially given your line, i don't expect him to bluff here).

You decide to raise here, which is clearly a mistake. If you decide to bluff, you must have a good reason for it: "I don't think he has a straight often here" isn't one. His value range will be pretty much only JT and you have his bluffing range his beat, so raising here doesn't have a point. Maybe you thought he might bet-fold a set here, but you should also consider that he raised on the button with a pretty wide range and with you holding an ace and a king, you'll block those combos substantially.

You said "im thinking he can now call alot of drawing hands and weaker two pair type hands. I look pretty strong " -
I think this shows you probably haven't put enough time into how to construct your ranges in certain spots, cause this isn't the logic agree with here.
After ch-calling a bet and a non board changing card comes on the turn, you should avoid leading in this spot. If you feel the need to protect your range against future bets, you can do it by slowplaying some nut straights on the flop and even some on the turn. If you include those hands in your ch-calling range, you now have the ability to check-raise future streets and you will be tougher to play against as your opponent cannot bet.

I hope this will help you a bit

TJ Serdar 10 years, 5 months ago

He won't have many drawing hands on the turn, and the ones he will have don't have much equity against you. Additionally, your range on the turn is pretty damn strong(you just don't x/ca this flop with enough weak hands here), so it's not like you'll be able to lead 2 streets and get value from AQ. Not to mention by taking the strategy you're recommending your turn checking range here is exceptionally weakened. AKJ* with no hearts is actually an excellent bluff catching combo to use. So with that in mind I'd check this hand (and my whole range) on the turn.

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